[ASA] Hottentotta hottentotta

Thanks Guys

Mr. Mordax wrote:

iitomodachi1 wrote:

Better keep feeding her so she doesn't get tempted by the snacks on her back!! Pumping out that many babies has got to drain her, so it is probably good!!

Most scorps have a suppressed appetite while carrying to prevent that . . . and in some, the stress of dealing with prey might induce cannibalism. The general consensus is that one should leave mom alone until 2I start to wander around.

Yep, i've heard about that. Thanks for the reminder Mr Mordax.
I fed her with minimum disturbance by chopping of the head of the cricket and just place it gently near her. She wasn't startled at all and just went for the headless cricket 30secs after she sensed
"FOOD" lolz

levi wrote:

Do this sp really doesnt need a mate to get preggy?im having one this coming sat..im excited

Yes, you are right. Once they start popping, it usually happens every 45 days (may varies) according to a good friend of mine who has like a few hundreds of them currently. Usually their first and last brood is lesser then the rest and biggest brood i've seen so far is 76!

Good choice in getting them. They are fairly easy to breed if you have done a decent amount of research on them and they are really some fun scorpions to have! Greating hunting skills with many stinging actions

Not sure if you have come across this: http://www.hottentotta.com/parthenogenetic.html

iitomodachi1 wrote:

the question is; is it only the females that can do this and can they still reproduce normally? I don't know much about this. Wish my HT's were like that but then again maybe they are and that explains the broods they have been turning out :/

Yes bro, i believe only the females are parthenogenetic and usually, most of the ones in trading circulation of this hobby are females.

Woah so what's the purpose of the male?hehe..so if i have a hh male he wont get gravid?

levi wrote:

Woah so what's the purpose of the male?hehe..so if i have a hh male he wont get gravid?

In my opinion, nope, HH males will not get gravid. Male can still mate with the female thou, just that for females, they do not need male partner to reproduce.

Imo.. Purpose of male == for sexual pleasure

Sometimes the conditions don't supply the males.

The purpose of males in most any parthenogenic is to provide genetic variability (to the best of my knowledge all females produced by parthenogenesis are clones of their mothers). In some species, males are equipped with some means to make them more motile than females to facilitate this variability. For example, in the stick insect Extasoma tiaratum, females are heavy, lumbering and flightless; males are smaller and adept fliers capable of reaching trees populated by females of differing genetic material. Mating with them keeps the gene pool active and healthy.

In some, males allow the species to survive the winter. North American stick insects produce eggs via parthenogenesis that hatch in short order as new females; as autumn approaches, the eggs that hatch produce males. When these males mate with the present female population, eggs are produced that are capable of overwintering. The same happens with aphids (though females give birth to live young as opposed to eggs).

There's only three species of animals known to mate for purposes other than reproduction, and scorpions aren't on that list.

Interesting info! Thanks for sharing

Mr. Mordax wrote:

The purpose of males in most any parthenogenic is to provide genetic variability (to the best of my knowledge all females produced by parthenogenesis are clones of their mothers). In some species, males are equipped with some means to make them more motile than females to facilitate this variability. For example, in the stick insect Extasoma tiaratum, females are heavy, lumbering and flightless; males are smaller and adept fliers capable of reaching trees populated by females of differing genetic material. Mating with them keeps the gene pool active and healthy.

In some, males allow the species to survive the winter. North American stick insects produce eggs via parthenogenesis that hatch in short order as new females; as autumn approaches, the eggs that hatch produce males. When these males mate with the present female population, eggs are produced that are capable of overwintering. The same happens with aphids (though females give birth to live young as opposed to eggs).

There's only three species of animals known to mate for purposes other than reproduction, and scorpions aren't on that list.

Sorry I was late on responding to this but what is the 3rd Species Mike?? I know Us and Dolphins are two but didn't know the 3rd, is it gorillas of some sort? Or rabbits? Well the rabbits is a joke as we all may know the saying - but really what's the 3rd??

I think it's champanzees!

René wrote:

I think it's champanzees!

Ahh, that would make sense, thanks

Bonobos, to be precise.

All Hottentotta Hottentotta babies molted to 2i in 3 days, their mum still keeps the munching going on..
Preparing for her next brood hopefully

Holy cow, that was fast and as always, beautiful pictures! Those are so cool!! Sometime in the future wanna trade some Hottentotta Trilineatus for some HH? I love the darker color!

Clone of their mother?so all of her slings are all females?

levi wrote:

Clone of their mother?so all of her slings are all females?

I believe so

iitomodachi1 wrote:

Holy cow, that was fast and as always, beautiful pictures! Those are so cool!! Sometime in the future wanna trade some Hottentotta Trilineatus for some HH? I love the darker color!

when the shipping conditions gets warmer and if you are still interested then, it'll be my pleasure bro

That is like super cool..reminds me of starwars attack of the clones

GS wrote:

when the shipping conditions gets warmer and if you are still interested then, it'll be my pleasure bro

Awesome, That would be really cool. I'd have to eventually set up a custom tank 2x the size a 40 gal breeder and put a divider in it to have 1/2 be a communal HH set up and the other half be a communal HT set up, that'd be pretty darn cool!! I look forward to it Bro!

iitomodachi1 wrote:

GS wrote:

when the shipping conditions gets warmer and if you are still interested then, it'll be my pleasure bro

Awesome, That would be really cool. I'd have to eventually set up a custom tank 2x the size a 40 gal breeder and put a divider in it to have 1/2 be a communal HH set up and the other half be a communal HT set up, that'd be pretty darn cool!! I look forward to it Bro!

That'll be awesome to have HH and HT colony in such a big enclosure for them both.
Within a year or so you'll probably have more HH/HT and you can handle! Specifically HH

Oh I'll definitely have more than I can handle. I need to find some outlets for babies. I hope I can line up some zoo's I can pass them off to for their own large colonies. I will also have no problems trading and doing favors

Yow sir gs..should i mist the enclosure of my hh or should i keep it bone dry?

levi wrote:

Yow sir gs..should i mist the enclosure of my hh or should i keep it bone dry?

I only keep bone dry for 6-7 instars but will definitely provide a small water dish.

For other instars, you could probably do light misting of approx 1/4 of the enclosure's substrate area.
In this way, the scorpling can choose where to rest at her own comfort. Replenish when the area has dried up.
If you did not provide a small water dish, mist a side of the enclosure's wall as well.. to simulate rainfall.. (Approx once every 1-2 weeks)

All the 2nd Instar babies has dismounted from their mum's back on 14 Dec 10 (4 days after their molt to 2i).

Total count: 21 Hottentotta Hottentotta (HH) Babies

The cute little babies now housed individually till they are 4-5 Instar.
One thing i must say is, HH are really furious hunters even as young as 2i, with no issue overpowering pinheads which is of the same size or even slightly larger then themselves, I feel so proud to be their "Grandpa"

Love it GS! I wonder if all Hottentotta's are like that, I love watching my HT's hunt, most will be eating before I can get the lids back on their containers! Going to check out your vid right now!!

iitomodachi1 wrote:

Love it GS! I wonder if all Hottentotta's are like that, I love watching my HT's hunt, most will be eating before I can get the lids back on their containers! Going to check out your vid right now!!

Thanks Bro. Yeah i love Hottentotta sp , would love to get my hands on some Hottentotta judaicus as well
Btw are all your scorplings house individually in virals? Wonder how much time you had to spend in a day opening and closing every single lids for all your scorplings..

That's great GS! What are you using for housing the little ones? I've been looking for something like that with alot of small rooms for mine when they eventually gets little ones...

GS wrote:

Btw are all your scorplings house individually in virals? Wonder how much time you had to spend in a day opening and closing every single lids for all your scorplings..

Yea, that is waaay to much work!

Well, I'll post some pics up tonight or something but I have 52 Hottentotta Trilineatus in housed in baby food jars without lids. I keep all the jars in a longer sterylite storage bin with the top cut out and a screen over it. I can just fly through with a spray bottle a jar of pinheads. So that is easy.

My H. Spinigerus are all in small condiment containers though and I'm opening lids on those. There are about 47 of those. I will open all of the first brood feed and water them and close them up, and then the 2nd brood will be done the same way. I keep those in another sterylite container.

I also have 4 C. Sculpturatus now that I do the same way but I keep the condiment containers in a mini critter keeper just so I remember what is what.

It really doesn't take too long, but if I had more baby food jars or small containers like that that the pinheads wouldn't jump out of I wouldn't use any lids.

I had a small tacklebox I tried at first but the scorplings all started climbing out That was an Oh Crap moment and required some quick thinking to come up with a plan B!

Tonight is feeding night again for the babies so I'll try to snap some pictures of the set ups if don't have any.