[Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

No, I think 7th instar is adult...

My friends 8i ptrans looks like its going to molt..side belly is like darkened the back things are widely seperated..but it could also be gravid but i cant see any embryos..im just wondering if a 9i molting ever occured before..

Rene is right. 7i is adult and 8i itself is already rare.. So far i haven heard of any who can reach 9i yet.
If your friend's P.Trans can do it. I think most of us would love to see a picture of it with a comparison item (e.g. measuring tape / lighter) beside it

Wait a minute... LAST molt is the adult molt! So either 7th instar is the last and adult molt or 8th molt is! Can't be adult at 7th instar and have another molt to 8th instar

I'm not sure weather or not 7th or 8th molt is adult, but I know that adult is the FINAL molt! I think most scorpions reach 7th instar and a few species can reach 8th instar, but 9th molt is out of the question for any scorpion as far as I know!

Sweet, congrats Levi, did she molt? Or just start eating again after a little while?

From what i understand from a friend who has several successful broods of P.Trans before:
7i are adults and ready for mating. 8i P.Trans are rare and uncommon but i would definitely love to get my hands on one.. just imagine the sheer size of it.. lolz

Sharing some updates on my P.Trans.. for your entertainment. Enjoy

Recently molted P.Trans 5i:






Below is a Vid demo of how powerful a P.Trans chela can be, one firm grip and see what happens to the roach..


Recently molted P.Trans 4i:
The Begining of a nightmare for the roach..


The Hunt...


The End Result..

I know for a fact that scorpions has the last and final molt when they mature to adult! So your friend is wrong sorry, but I don't know weather it's 7th or 8th instar though!

Great pics GS! Can't wait until mine gets big enough that you can actually see it lol!

René wrote:

I know for a fact that scorpions has the last and final molt when they mature to adult! So your friend is wrong sorry, but I don't know weather it's 7th or 8th instar though!

Great pics GS! Can't wait until mine gets big enough that you can actually see it lol!

Maybe you are right Rene. If 8i does exist, then that could really be the final molt.
However, I do believe that 7i is able to mate and breed.
Now the thing is.. we should really see a case study of an 8i P.Trans's full life-cycle!

Your 2i P.Trans look really well developed thou i'm guessing you'll be getting some more P.Trans soon?
As for me.. i can never get enough of them!

GS wrote:

Maybe you are right Rene. If 8i does exist, then that could really be the final molt.
However, I do believe that 7i is able to mate and breed.
Now the thing is.. we should really see a case study of an 8i P.Trans's full life-cycle!

Yes it could be, but the fact of the matter is that final molt equals adulthood and the ability to breed and not before! Could be fun to hear other opinions on this matter?

GS wrote:

Your 2i P.Trans look really well developed thou i'm guessing you'll be getting some more P.Trans soon?
As for me.. i can never get enough of them!

Thanks Yes, I have really fallen in love with the whole Parabuthus family so I'm betting on it! Right now I'm just pulling strings to get some Transvaalicus home, but I'm also in the market for liosoma and mossambicensis, but they are just FREAKING expensive! Found one who could sell me 0.0.8 2nd-3rd instar for 120$ though, but the shipping is 58,50$ from somewhere in the pacific, so it's gonna be a bit expensive aswell!

I can't wait to get home and see the pictures and new vids, can't see them at work

Just to throw a wrench in the system here, I think for a lot of species the females may have 1 extra molt and that is partly why they are larger than males in most cases. So if we are saying that males are mature at 8i then females just my have one extra molt.

I'm not sure though and hope when whoever finds out what the case really is that they post up their findings

Yes, that is also true come to think of it! Some species females have an extra molt to adulthood, but it doesn't change that the last molt is the molt to adulthood!

René wrote:

Thanks Yes, I have really fallen in love with the whole Parabuthus family so I'm betting on it! Right now I'm just pulling strings to get some Transvaalicus home, but I'm also in the market for liosoma and mossambicensis, but they are just FREAKING expensive! Found one who could sell me 0.0.8 2nd-3rd instar for 120$ though, but the shipping is 58,50$ from somewhere in the pacific, so it's gonna be a bit expensive aswell!

Thats great Rene! If you think they are worth it.. they will be
I have stop counting on the $$ i've invest on my beloved scorps anymore.. The "poison" just got deeper everyday

iitomodachi1 wrote:

I can't wait to get home and see the pictures and new vids, can't see them at work

Just to throw a wrench in the system here, I think for a lot of species the females may have 1 extra molt and that is partly why they are larger than males in most cases. So if we are saying that males are mature at 8i then females just my have one extra molt.
I'm not sure though and hope when whoever finds out what the case really is that they post up their findings

Hope you'll enjoy the vid my friend
I'm looking forward to more insights in this thread!

Amazing Vids Absolutely amazing! Killin' me as I have 8 dead (approx 3i) babies still sitting in my living room

yow sir gs whats the length of your 4i ptrans?

iitomodachi1 wrote:

Sweet, congrats Levi, did she molt? Or just start eating again after a little while?

i may be over reacting bout pre molt thing but she really looks like on pre-molt

iitomodachi1 wrote:

Amazing Vids Absolutely amazing! Killin' me as I have 8 dead (approx 3i) babies still sitting in my living room

sry bro.. yeah its definitely a waste...

levi wrote:

yow sir gs whats the length of your 4i ptrans?

Haven measured yet but should be around 1.5 Inch body length excluding tail

mine like that too..im just checking..hehe

iitomodachi1 wrote:

Amazing Vids Absolutely amazing! Killin' me as I have 8 dead (approx 3i) babies still sitting in my living room

I know, I can't really part with mine either

So what are you going to do with all those poor scorpies? Preserve them?

I'll probably end up tossing them as I keep forgetting to put them in freezer, if they haven't decomposed any by the weekend, I may try pinning them and coating them in hairspray. I don't think they are big enough for the innards to start to smell. I guess I'd like to, they are still pretty cool looking

I just tossed out mine now... I'm not much for a collection of dead animals

I thought I'd post my P. trasvaalicus question here instead of creating a new post.

I have several 3rd instar P. trasvaalicus and I'd like to know when they are close to molting how they will behave. Do they just slow down and hide till the molt? Mine are really fat but they still come out at night and run around.

The next molt is the one I'm waiting for. Does this next molt make them look like the adults?

They'll get fat and typically (but not always) refuse prey. Sometimes you can see new tergites forming in the gaps between the old ones.