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DolbyR
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| | Subject: House of Reptile: Anaconda / Karl Spindler 9/19/2011, 3:52 am | |
| Has anybody heard of this show/expo?
The owner claims they are the largest travelling terrarium in europe.
Anyway, I went to see it last night and I´m really disappointed. I won´t get into details about herps (maybe later, after work), but it was outrageous how the scorps were.
He advertised that he will have 4 scorpions. Well... he had four enclosures..
Two were labelled as Pandinus - Togo something (everything was in German), both had what I´m 99% sure were H. laoticus.
Then he had 2 labelled Parabuthus leiosoma, well, these had nothing to do with a P. leiosoma. One had somekind of black scorpion in a hide, but you couldn´t even see what it was.
The other one had in a roughly 30x30 cm enclosure, 1 emp, 1 cavi and 2-3 Hets ALL TOGETHER. And all of these were on 1cm bone dry cocofiber!
Well, more later, and probably a couple of pictures too. | |
| | | | DolbyR
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| | Subject: Re: House of Reptile: Anaconda / Karl Spindler 9/22/2011, 2:28 am | |
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| | | | pluto
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| | Subject: Re: House of Reptile: Anaconda / Karl Spindler 9/22/2011, 2:52 am | |
| Seems like the average joe trying to make a buck out of them because they're costly to feed. They were for sale too? It all looks a bit ... cold and small tbh.
And if you dont know what scorpions you are talking about you shouldnt be having any (I'm speaking about the dude). | |
| | | | DolbyR
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| | Subject: Re: House of Reptile: Anaconda / Karl Spindler 9/22/2011, 3:36 am | |
| Too bad I didn't take any pics of the inverts though.
I'm pretty sure he knows the scorpions were not the ones that were labelled, but most people won't know that so he probably doesn't care.
I'm against stressing any animals this way. He stays 2-3 days in one place and then loads everything on a truck an goes to the next. Not to mention how noisy it was, as there was somebody on the microphone constantly advertising a 3m python that you can take a picture with for 5 or 10 euro.
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| | | | pluto
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| | Subject: Re: House of Reptile: Anaconda / Karl Spindler 9/22/2011, 3:37 am | |
| lol awesome. There are always people in it for the wrong reasons. Thats life I'm affraid | |
| | | | *~BEX~*
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| | Subject: Re: House of Reptile: Anaconda / Karl Spindler 4/11/2012, 2:59 pm | |
| i know this is an old thread but i have recently read another review online which pretty much says the same bad stuff, shame there is people like this out there, in their review it said that it looked as though a fake snakes head had been stuck on anothers body to make it look like it had two heads...now i dont know that this is true but god if it is thats bad!
this is the review i came across, just really hope its not true...
Yesterday, 17th of September 2011, my daughter, my wife and I went to the Anaconda – House of Reptiles travelling show, hosted in the National Palace of Culture, Sofia, Bulgaria.
The BTV national television had announced in this article in Bulgarian called “National Palace of Culture Becomes a Jungle” that there would be a reptile show in the National Palace of Culture. According to the article the tickets would cost 10 BGN, and on 17th of September 2011, Saturday, they had to cost half the price, with the day announced as a family day. I and my wife decided to bring our daughter to the show, as she is interested in snakes, turtles and and most of all, in crocodiles.
The event coincided with a congress of a political party, so it was a bit funny to have the political event and the reptile event at the same time in the same building. I took a picture of the posters of the show and the congress being close together. The show also coincided with the Day of Sofia, and there was a temporary scene installed near the building, with an on-going performance of middle to low quality singers.
The Entrance of the National Palace of Culture
The Entrance of the National Palace of Culture
I was a little confused to understand that the article of BTV was misleading. The tickets for adults cost 10 BGN, and the tickets for children cost 8 BGN. Family day, wasn’t it? I wondered if we would come on the next day, would the tickets cost 20 BGN for adults and 16 BGN for children. Anyway it was late to let our daughter down after we announced her that she would be able to see the reptiles. I bought the tickets, which were for irrelevant amount of money. No receipt was issued for the payment. It started to stink like tax evasion.
On the entrance there were warnings against taking pictures. We thought the warnings were justified as the animals would be teased by the flashlights and the sounds of the cameras.
When we entered our first impression was that that the place was overcrowded, probably because of the combination of the number of people inside with the low ceiling of the hall. The air was partly exhausted.
The first thing to see were 3 huge turtles. They were placed in a net fence through which they could be touched, and some visitors were taking advantage of this. A little further there was a crocodile in a plastic pool with shallow water. The pool was covered with a net. Both the bottom of the pool and the crocodile itself were covered with coins. Yes, coins. The coin throwing is a strange Bulgarian tradition, applied for pools, when there is something interesting associated with the pool. In this case the crocodile the coins, being touched by many people, could bring an infection to the animal. There was nobody from the staff taking any action to prevent this.
There were many snakes, lizards, tarantulas, scorpions, crabs, centipedes and frogs in glass cages. Many of the cages were dirty from outside because of the finger touches of the visitors. I saw nobody from the staff cleaning the glass or preventing the touching so that the cages can be really transparent.
Many people were taking pictures with cameras with flashlights and cell phones. Many of the animals had hidden in the parts of their cages which were not visible, probably because of the distress caused. I saw nobody from the staff to prevent taking pictures with flashlights which tease the animals.
Some tough guys from the visitors even raised the cover of the crocodile pool trying to touch the crocodile, disregarding the presence of children around it. I cannot think what could happen if the crocodile was more active. There was nobody from the staff even to make a remark to the guys.
There was one 2-headed turtle, which was looking real. A 2-headed snake, which was announced as the main attraction for the show, did not look real. The second head was somehow perpendicular to the body and looked like it was somehow artificially attached to the main body.
On the way back I made some pictures of the neglected infrastructure around the National Palace of Culture.
A cable sticking out of a handrail near the National Palace of Culture, Sofia, Bulgaria
A cable sticking out of a handrail near the National Palace of Culture, Sofia, Bulgaria
These pictures are from the stairs which leads to the underground parking of the National Palace of Culture.
A trap near the National Palace of Culture
A trap near the National Palace of Culture
The area is poorly lightened, and the stairs to which the handrail with the sticking cable is attached, leads to a water collector with removed lattice. This is more dangerous than the reptiles in the National Palace of Culture.
Let me summarize the visit. My daughter was quite fascinated, as we did not ruin her experience. I and my wife, knowing the facts above, were not. Too expensive for the experience, misleading marketing, crowd totally out of control, miserable conditions for the animals, no receipt for the payment.
I would not visit any similar event soon, and I would not advise anybody to visit the Anaconda – House of Reptiles show. | |
| | | | DolbyR
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| | Subject: Re: House of Reptile: Anaconda / Karl Spindler 4/11/2012, 4:35 pm | |
| Thanks for sharing that.
I can't confirm 100% of the two headed snake, but I think it was real.
Other than that, the rest of the review, unfortunately states the truth.
Just a remark, for anybody making the currency conversions, 5 euro for an entrance for adults might not seem much, but in comparison to what the minimum and average bulgarian salaries are, it is in fact a pretty high price.
A good comparison would be the Zoo, an adult's ticket costs 2 leva, students etc. pay 1 lv.
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| | | | **GS**
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| | Subject: Re: House of Reptile: Anaconda / Karl Spindler 4/12/2012, 1:09 pm | |
| - *~BEX~* wrote:
- i know this is an old thread but i have recently read another review online which pretty much says the same bad stuff, shame there is people like this out there, in their review it said that it looked as though a fake snakes head had been stuck on anothers body to make it look like it had two heads...now i dont know that this is true but god if it is thats bad!
- Click here to view:
this is the review i came across, just really hope its not true...
Yesterday, 17th of September 2011, my daughter, my wife and I went to the Anaconda – House of Reptiles travelling show, hosted in the National Palace of Culture, Sofia, Bulgaria.
The BTV national television had announced in this article in Bulgarian called “National Palace of Culture Becomes a Jungle” that there would be a reptile show in the National Palace of Culture. According to the article the tickets would cost 10 BGN, and on 17th of September 2011, Saturday, they had to cost half the price, with the day announced as a family day. I and my wife decided to bring our daughter to the show, as she is interested in snakes, turtles and and most of all, in crocodiles.
The event coincided with a congress of a political party, so it was a bit funny to have the political event and the reptile event at the same time in the same building. I took a picture of the posters of the show and the congress being close together. The show also coincided with the Day of Sofia, and there was a temporary scene installed near the building, with an on-going performance of middle to low quality singers.
The Entrance of the National Palace of Culture
The Entrance of the National Palace of Culture
I was a little confused to understand that the article of BTV was misleading. The tickets for adults cost 10 BGN, and the tickets for children cost 8 BGN. Family day, wasn’t it? I wondered if we would come on the next day, would the tickets cost 20 BGN for adults and 16 BGN for children. Anyway it was late to let our daughter down after we announced her that she would be able to see the reptiles. I bought the tickets, which were for irrelevant amount of money. No receipt was issued for the payment. It started to stink like tax evasion.
On the entrance there were warnings against taking pictures. We thought the warnings were justified as the animals would be teased by the flashlights and the sounds of the cameras.
When we entered our first impression was that that the place was overcrowded, probably because of the combination of the number of people inside with the low ceiling of the hall. The air was partly exhausted.
The first thing to see were 3 huge turtles. They were placed in a net fence through which they could be touched, and some visitors were taking advantage of this. A little further there was a crocodile in a plastic pool with shallow water. The pool was covered with a net. Both the bottom of the pool and the crocodile itself were covered with coins. Yes, coins. The coin throwing is a strange Bulgarian tradition, applied for pools, when there is something interesting associated with the pool. In this case the crocodile the coins, being touched by many people, could bring an infection to the animal. There was nobody from the staff taking any action to prevent this.
There were many snakes, lizards, tarantulas, scorpions, crabs, centipedes and frogs in glass cages. Many of the cages were dirty from outside because of the finger touches of the visitors. I saw nobody from the staff cleaning the glass or preventing the touching so that the cages can be really transparent.
Many people were taking pictures with cameras with flashlights and cell phones. Many of the animals had hidden in the parts of their cages which were not visible, probably because of the distress caused. I saw nobody from the staff to prevent taking pictures with flashlights which tease the animals.
Some tough guys from the visitors even raised the cover of the crocodile pool trying to touch the crocodile, disregarding the presence of children around it. I cannot think what could happen if the crocodile was more active. There was nobody from the staff even to make a remark to the guys.
There was one 2-headed turtle, which was looking real. A 2-headed snake, which was announced as the main attraction for the show, did not look real. The second head was somehow perpendicular to the body and looked like it was somehow artificially attached to the main body.
On the way back I made some pictures of the neglected infrastructure around the National Palace of Culture.
A cable sticking out of a handrail near the National Palace of Culture, Sofia, Bulgaria
A cable sticking out of a handrail near the National Palace of Culture, Sofia, Bulgaria
These pictures are from the stairs which leads to the underground parking of the National Palace of Culture.
A trap near the National Palace of Culture
A trap near the National Palace of Culture
The area is poorly lightened, and the stairs to which the handrail with the sticking cable is attached, leads to a water collector with removed lattice. This is more dangerous than the reptiles in the National Palace of Culture.
Let me summarize the visit. My daughter was quite fascinated, as we did not ruin her experience. I and my wife, knowing the facts above, were not. Too expensive for the experience, misleading marketing, crowd totally out of control, miserable conditions for the animals, no receipt for the payment.
I would not visit any similar event soon, and I would not advise anybody to visit the Anaconda – House of Reptiles show.
Thanks for the post Bex. Yes, i came across this review as well: http://bulgariaallinclusive.com/179/creatures-features/ - DolbyR wrote:
- Then he had 2 labelled Parabuthus leiosoma, well, these had nothing to do with a P. leiosoma. One had somekind of black scorpion in a hide, but you couldn´t even see what it was.
The other one had in a roughly 30x30 cm enclosure, 1 emp, 1 cavi and 2-3 Hets ALL TOGETHER. And all of these were on 1cm bone dry cocofiber! I have nothing against dealers who sells exotic pets to earn if the pets are given proper husbandry. But it breaks my heart every single time i see exotic pets such as these being housed in such terrible enclosure setups. This is outrageous!
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| | | | DolbyR
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| | Subject: Re: House of Reptile: Anaconda / Karl Spindler 4/12/2012, 2:27 pm | |
| - GS wrote:
- I have nothing against dealers who sells exotic pets to earn if the pets are given proper husbandry. But it breaks my heart every single time i see exotic pets such as these being housed in such terrible enclosure setups.
This is outrageous!! The worst in this case is that we're not even talking about a dealer whose animals would have the chance to go into a better home and proper living conditions. These guys are doomed to live the rest of their lives in unproper care and mostly in the trailer of a moving truck. I wonder how they've survived this long the stress of traveling. I had to make a 3 day bus trip with my iguana, and the stress nearly killed him. Had to administer vitamine shots to get his appetite back. | |
| | | | **GS**
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| | Subject: Re: House of Reptile: Anaconda / Karl Spindler 4/17/2012, 4:05 am | |
| I understand the situation. I have been to similar "exotics exhibition" while i was traveling overseas. Most of the animals in the "shows" or "exhibition" were dying and when they do, they are simply replaced with new ones to suffer in that same enclosure... | |
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