Number of posts : 287 Age : 31 Location : Philippines Registration date : 2011-05-17
Subject: Stinging itself? 6/8/2011, 7:46 am
Guys I saw my P trans with weird, odd looking activity
While she is cleaning her pedipalp, she bent her tail and like stinging itself
Is she sick that way?
Heres the vid ( sorry for the noise and all the movements and for the quality, I used my phone )
**GS** Leiurus
Number of posts : 2629 Age : 42 Location : facebook.com/ScorpionArchives Registration date : 2010-09-06
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/8/2011, 9:35 am
She's definitely not sick my friend Occasionally, mine does that as well. The telson moves in a circular motion touching its "central eye group" and basically over the "forehead". That contact area becomes moist during this process. Some even say that it appears to be using its venom to do some sort of "self-cleaning"...
ajones1986 Pandinus
Number of posts : 40 Age : 38 Location : Miami, Fl Registration date : 2011-05-09
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/8/2011, 2:57 pm
i know that emps will sting themselves to help calm themselves when they are stressed as my female did that occasionally when i was cleaning the tank or changing the substrate... i cant say that is the case for yours but possible ill look into it more for ya
spinnin_tom Tityus
Number of posts : 915 Age : 28 Location : Kent U.K Registration date : 2011-04-13
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/8/2011, 3:21 pm
my P. cav stings himself in the mouth.. well he puts it in his mouth. they are realy obsessive compulsive cleaners, so i've heard
pluto Leiurus
Number of posts : 2647 Age : 41 Location : Next to Manneke Pis Registration date : 2011-04-16
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/8/2011, 4:03 pm
I'd say they dont sting themselves. I'd say they use their telson as a teethpick. Or maybe the venom contains enzymes that brake down dead matter.. or at least kill bacteria and fungi. That would be my guess.
*~BEX~* Administrator
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Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/8/2011, 4:46 pm
Stinging themselves is a sign of them being to hot too apparently
tlb_05 Babycurus
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Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/8/2011, 7:18 pm
GS wrote:
She's definitely not sick my friend Occasionally, mine does that as well. The telson moves in a circular motion touching its "central eye group" and basically over the "forehead". That contact area becomes moist during this process. Some even say that it appears to be using its venom to do some sort of "self-cleaning"...
Tnx bro, I kinda worried when I saw her that way
Im relieved now
tlb_05 Babycurus
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Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/8/2011, 7:21 pm
*~BEX~* wrote:
Stinging themselves is a sign of them being to hot too apparently
I sprinkle a very little amt of water on her enclosure
And the room temp says it is 29 C
Thanks ms Bex
tlb_05 Babycurus
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Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/8/2011, 7:22 pm
Thank you all guys for the concern
H. laoticus Parabuthus
Number of posts : 1401 Age : 35 Location : Southern California Registration date : 2009-03-26
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/8/2011, 7:23 pm
Hey, your scorp is cleaning itself, no worries
tlb_05 Babycurus
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Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/8/2011, 7:31 pm
H. laoticus wrote:
Hey, your scorp is cleaning itself, no worries
Thanks for the concern bro
spinnin_tom Tityus
Number of posts : 915 Age : 28 Location : Kent U.K Registration date : 2011-04-13
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 2:46 am
*~BEX~* wrote:
Stinging themselves is a sign of them being to hot too apparently
isn't this in extremes when they actually dry out and constrict :/
tlb_05 Babycurus
Number of posts : 287 Age : 31 Location : Philippines Registration date : 2011-05-17
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 6:05 am
My scorp is dehydrated?
spinnin_tom Tityus
Number of posts : 915 Age : 28 Location : Kent U.K Registration date : 2011-04-13
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 12:01 pm
i'm not sure.. they are a desert species i think, so you'd need some high temps to dry them out :/
Callum B Administrator
Number of posts : 1096 Age : 35 Registration date : 2008-09-21
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 2:36 pm
If a scorpion is subject to temps. higher than 50-65c it's tail agitates and becomes level with it's mesosoma and in some cases the telson pierces the membrane between it's tergites. The scorpion then stops moving and dies, whether it has stung itself or not. This info was knicked from 'Scorpions of the World' but just thought I would add it as I thought it was really interesting lol. It's crazy how even a desert species of scorpion that is so resistant to drought has a tipping point and dies so quickly and in such a weird way when exposed to high temps.
spinnin_tom Tityus
Number of posts : 915 Age : 28 Location : Kent U.K Registration date : 2011-04-13
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 2:47 pm
*BOOM* there we go callum
Callum B Administrator
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Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 2:55 pm
Just to clarify, I wasn't saying this is what the OP's scorpion is doing as I doubt it is 65c in the tank lol. Just amazing that a scorpion dehydrates so quickly at high temps and commits a kind of pseudo suicide lol.
spinnin_tom Tityus
Number of posts : 915 Age : 28 Location : Kent U.K Registration date : 2011-04-13
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 3:03 pm
naturally
i don't think anything would heat a viv to 65C would it :/
pluto Leiurus
Number of posts : 2647 Age : 41 Location : Next to Manneke Pis Registration date : 2011-04-16
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 3:12 pm
They have a wax coating on their chitinous exo. They never dry out. They can overheat though.
spinnin_tom Tityus
Number of posts : 915 Age : 28 Location : Kent U.K Registration date : 2011-04-13
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 3:14 pm
^ i was half way there then lol
pluto Leiurus
Number of posts : 2647 Age : 41 Location : Next to Manneke Pis Registration date : 2011-04-16
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 3:19 pm
How come mate? it was just cleaning itself? Or am I missing something?
spinnin_tom Tityus
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Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 3:24 pm
spinnin_tom wrote:
*~BEX~* wrote:
Stinging themselves is a sign of them being to hot too apparently
isn't this in extremes when they actually dry out and constrict :/
^i said this
pluto Leiurus
Number of posts : 2647 Age : 41 Location : Next to Manneke Pis Registration date : 2011-04-16
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 3:25 pm
ah cool, sorry lol
Callum B Administrator
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Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 4:01 pm
At those temps it is extreme dehyrdration that kills them. From the book lol, 'in fact, it has been severely dehydrated, often irreversibly. Above a certain temperature (50-65c), evaporation from the tegument intensifies and the ''faintin'' bout can be explained by physiological changes in the internal medium (concentration of blood) and an action on the nervous system.
pluto Leiurus
Number of posts : 2647 Age : 41 Location : Next to Manneke Pis Registration date : 2011-04-16
Subject: Re: Stinging itself? 6/9/2011, 4:27 pm
If it has water and food, desert species will not dehydrate fast (i doubt ever, if they have a source to replenish themselves)... it will die though, from being cooked. Scorpions do have a certain temperature range they like to keep their body in.
knock yourself out here
It says, that they do dry out faster at higher temperatures, but usually dehydration only happens to a lethal extend when no water recuperation is possible ea: prey or other water sources. It will still die at those temps though.
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