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+6**GS** TELOW Kristopher iitomodachi1 H. laoticus lordpotato 10 posters |
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lordpotato Hadogenes
Number of posts : 72 Age : 29 Registration date : 2010-11-04
| Subject: emperor or asian forest? 11/5/2010, 7:24 pm | |
| is it emp or afs? | |
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H. laoticus Parabuthus
Number of posts : 1401 Age : 35 Location : Southern California Registration date : 2009-03-26
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/6/2010, 12:36 am | |
| 100% AFS
Here's two pics for comparison: AFS: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Asian_forest_scorpion_in_Khao_Yai_National_Park.JPG
Emp: http://aqualandpetsplus.com/Bug,%20S5.jpg
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iitomodachi1 Tityus
Number of posts : 881 Age : 48 Location : Wisconsin, United States Registration date : 2010-08-01
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/6/2010, 2:47 am | |
| I would go with a Heterometrus of some sort, doesn't look like an Emp to me. Emps usually have bumpy and bulbous chelea (claws) if I'm not mistaken. | |
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Kristopher Centruroides
Number of posts : 186 Age : 48 Location : Ft. Lauderdale, FL. Registration date : 2010-10-29
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/6/2010, 7:53 am | |
| I agree with iitomodachi1. The lack of granulation and shape of the chelea as well as the black telson point toward Heterometrus as apposed to an Emp.
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TELOW Centruroides
Number of posts : 205 Age : 41 Location : USA Registration date : 2008-12-17
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/6/2010, 2:05 pm | |
| surely a heterometrus as the others said | |
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H. laoticus Parabuthus
Number of posts : 1401 Age : 35 Location : Southern California Registration date : 2009-03-26
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/6/2010, 2:43 pm | |
| - Kristopher wrote:
- I agree with iitomodachi1. The lack of granulation and shape of the chelea as well as the black telson point toward Heterometrus as apposed to an Emp.
Yes, this is an AFS, but gotta be careful though, because there are Heterometrus sp. with granulation on the chela. The black telson gives it away, but some Heterometrus do have colored telsons. | |
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**GS** Leiurus
Number of posts : 2629 Age : 42 Location : facebook.com/ScorpionArchives Registration date : 2010-09-06
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/6/2010, 3:13 pm | |
| Like all the friendly peeps here have said, its not an emperor. Once i had a seller who sold 2 AFS to me when i have ordered Emperors. I had to show him this picture in order to convince him.. Anyway.. Hope it helps However i must add that you do have a neat looking AFS there!
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H. laoticus Parabuthus
Number of posts : 1401 Age : 35 Location : Southern California Registration date : 2009-03-26
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/6/2010, 3:18 pm | |
| - GS wrote:
- Like all the friendly peeps here have said, its not an emperor. Once i had a seller who sold 2 AFS to me when i have ordered Emperors.
I had to show him this picture in order to convince him.. Hope it helps.
However i must add that you do have a neat looking AFS there! Nice, did you make this picture? | |
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**GS** Leiurus
Number of posts : 2629 Age : 42 Location : facebook.com/ScorpionArchives Registration date : 2010-09-06
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/6/2010, 3:32 pm | |
| Thanks mate. Yeah.. just a simple image of comparison i made of the pictures from the net. Sry for not using the correct terms such as chela or granulation.. as i doubt the dude who sold me the scorps know what they meant.. -.-
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_scorpio_ Androctonus
Number of posts : 1827 Age : 30 Location : St leonards... ENGLAND Registration date : 2008-04-11
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/6/2010, 3:49 pm | |
| im going to guess H. spinifer too... mine had the black telson (though im sure they are not the only species that does). | |
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lordpotato Hadogenes
Number of posts : 72 Age : 29 Registration date : 2010-11-04
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/6/2010, 9:30 pm | |
| ahh... thank you for your help. | |
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lordpotato Hadogenes
Number of posts : 72 Age : 29 Registration date : 2010-11-04
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/7/2010, 12:56 pm | |
| also... is it a juvinile or a sub adult.... its only about 2 or 3 inches long... | |
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TELOW Centruroides
Number of posts : 205 Age : 41 Location : USA Registration date : 2008-12-17
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/7/2010, 2:02 pm | |
| it says emperor scorpion and african forest scorpion haha what ?????
it does make a clear point with the pics;) | |
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lordpotato Hadogenes
Number of posts : 72 Age : 29 Registration date : 2010-11-04
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/7/2010, 2:32 pm | |
| telow you confuse me.
EDIT: oh wait never mind | |
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TELOW Centruroides
Number of posts : 205 Age : 41 Location : USA Registration date : 2008-12-17
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/7/2010, 2:36 pm | |
| hahaha i confuse me sometimes too hahahaha realy hahaa | |
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iitomodachi1 Tityus
Number of posts : 881 Age : 48 Location : Wisconsin, United States Registration date : 2010-08-01
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 11/7/2010, 5:35 pm | |
| I was wondering about that, I had been calling Asian Forest Scorpions AFS's. I'd assume that the Emperor was an 'African' forest scorpion. Although there is the H. Swammerdami which is an Indian scorp. I also notice a lot of confuse for AFS's being both H. laoticus and H. Spinifer. | |
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lordpotato Hadogenes
Number of posts : 72 Age : 29 Registration date : 2010-11-04
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 12/15/2010, 7:55 pm | |
| alright just want to comfirm. they are h. spinifer right? | |
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H. laoticus Parabuthus
Number of posts : 1401 Age : 35 Location : Southern California Registration date : 2009-03-26
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 12/20/2010, 6:02 am | |
| They could be other Heterometrus species like petersii. It's really a pain ID'ing these guys! | |
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mezzle992 Centruroides
Number of posts : 196 Age : 31 Location : sussex Registration date : 2010-06-26
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 12/20/2010, 6:19 am | |
| i thought petersii when i first saw it just for the fact its completely black with no colouring between the exoskeleton | |
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LXDNG79 Tityus
Number of posts : 605 Age : 45 Location : Borneo, Sarawak, Malaysia Registration date : 2008-10-16
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 12/23/2010, 11:39 am | |
| the size and shape of the telson... along with the enlarged tooth of the tarsus (movable finger) on the chela; makes me lean towards Heterometrus petersii (male). Only males have that enlarged tooth.
H. petersii is frequently mistaken for H. spinifer since their ranges sometimes overlap slightly. I think this is the 3rd or 4th time I've had to pick out a H. petersii from H. spinifer. Others may suggest Heterometrus laoticus But between H. petersii and H. laoticus... I'm still uncertain since I've never really seen enough specimens of H. laoticus.
I hope that helps cheers and best regards
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lordpotato Hadogenes
Number of posts : 72 Age : 29 Registration date : 2010-11-04
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 12/23/2010, 11:42 am | |
| ah. intersting... not spinifers like i thought. i will probaly look online... thanks for all your help. | |
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Mr. Mordax Administrator
Number of posts : 7743 Age : 38 Location : PNW Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 12/23/2010, 1:02 pm | |
| H. laoticus is the only Heterometrus sp. without any granulation on its carapace. It's kind of hard for me to see from that picture, but as Alex pointed out, it's probably not H. spinifer.
There was a PDF floating around the internet somewhere that had a great guide to IDing Heterometrus spp. and even had diagrams of where granulation was on the carapace of each species. | |
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lordpotato Hadogenes
Number of posts : 72 Age : 29 Registration date : 2010-11-04
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 12/23/2010, 1:04 pm | |
| oh wow... that would be like gold right now | |
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H. laoticus Parabuthus
Number of posts : 1401 Age : 35 Location : Southern California Registration date : 2009-03-26
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 12/23/2010, 8:11 pm | |
| Here you go:
http://www.science.marshall.edu/fet/euscorpius/p2004_15.pdf
Here's a link to a thread on ID'ing Het. species on another forum:
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=82335
Good luck! | |
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lordpotato Hadogenes
Number of posts : 72 Age : 29 Registration date : 2010-11-04
| Subject: Re: emperor or asian forest? 12/23/2010, 8:35 pm | |
| thanks a lot! that stuff was great. by looking at that id have to say petersii because of the claw tooth and the slight granulation on the head. do you guys concure? | |
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