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Venom Centruroides suffusus
Number of posts : 2834 Age : 2020 Location : Chicago Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/27/2009, 8:42 pm | |
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_scorpio_ Androctonus
Number of posts : 1827 Age : 30 Location : St leonards... ENGLAND Registration date : 2008-04-11
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/27/2009, 8:44 pm | |
| iunno... invertibrate? reptile? what? spoze maybee a black mamba or brown recluse? | |
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Andrew273 Tityus
Number of posts : 503 Age : 34 Location : Colorado Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/27/2009, 9:23 pm | |
| I wouldn't put a recluse as more toxic. Maybe wandering spiders? Large snakes like a Momba or a King Cobra. I don't have a chart in front of me so I'm not sure.
I would kill for this scorpion (Hemiscorpius lepturus). Check out the damage in the photos on this page: http://www.arachnodata.ch/projects.htm | |
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Venom Centruroides suffusus
Number of posts : 2834 Age : 2020 Location : Chicago Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/27/2009, 9:30 pm | |
| I thought snakes only seemed more toxic since they inject far greater amounts.
I am talking drop for drop. | |
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Andrew273 Tityus
Number of posts : 503 Age : 34 Location : Colorado Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/27/2009, 9:52 pm | |
| Drop for drop... Okay after checking the charts
Crotalus scutulatus Naja naja
They're the only land animals I can find. LQs lowest LD value is .25, the Mojave rattler is .23 and the King cobra is .13.
Okay another chart lists a ton of snakes with the Oxyuranus microlepidotus (Inland Taipan) as .025.
Snakes are hardcore. | |
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Venom Centruroides suffusus
Number of posts : 2834 Age : 2020 Location : Chicago Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/27/2009, 9:57 pm | |
| damnzzz
But who knows if they're intramuscular, piretonial, venous, or cutenaus
And I seen .16 for LQ and .13 for some other scorpion | |
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Andrew273 Tityus
Number of posts : 503 Age : 34 Location : Colorado Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/27/2009, 10:15 pm | |
| The last one is subcutenous. | |
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Venom Centruroides suffusus
Number of posts : 2834 Age : 2020 Location : Chicago Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/27/2009, 10:47 pm | |
| I don't even know what it means, lulz. | |
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Andrew273 Tityus
Number of posts : 503 Age : 34 Location : Colorado Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/27/2009, 10:57 pm | |
| Under the skin. Like a bite. | |
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Mr. Mordax Administrator
Number of posts : 7743 Age : 38 Location : PNW Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/28/2009, 12:12 pm | |
| Aren't some Latrodectus more potent, drop for drop? They inject tiny amounts and are still potentially fatal.
And if I lived somewhere where an elephant might step on me on accident, I'd want pretty damn powerful venom too!! | |
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hauser Hadogenes
Number of posts : 88 Age : 56 Location : Switzerland Registration date : 2009-01-17
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/29/2009, 7:43 am | |
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talrusan Pandinus
Number of posts : 34 Age : 40 Location : Jordan Registration date : 2008-11-13
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/29/2009, 9:30 am | |
| What is the most toxic scorpions ? | |
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hauser Hadogenes
Number of posts : 88 Age : 56 Location : Switzerland Registration date : 2009-01-17
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/29/2009, 9:40 am | |
| - talrusan wrote:
- What is the most toxic scorpions ?
most people say Hemiscorpius lepturus, haven't tried it by myself... | |
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Mr. Mordax Administrator
Number of posts : 7743 Age : 38 Location : PNW Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/29/2009, 11:39 am | |
| Most toxic scorpion in terms of venom potency is the deathstalker, Leiurus quinquestriatus. In terms of human fatalities, it's the southern fattail, Androctonus australis. | |
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Kejser Administrator
Number of posts : 1373 Age : 38 Location : Denmark Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/29/2009, 12:37 pm | |
| But you cant use LD50 values anyway.. you shouldnt count on them or use them in anway.. | |
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Venom Centruroides suffusus
Number of posts : 2834 Age : 2020 Location : Chicago Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/29/2009, 12:54 pm | |
| It's all we have. And when it comes to these big gaps in numbers the difference is valid. Isn't it? .17 to .023 more value then a jump from .16 to .75
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Mr. Mordax Administrator
Number of posts : 7743 Age : 38 Location : PNW Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion? 1/29/2009, 1:23 pm | |
| Yeah, it's pretty useful for ballpark estimates. I wouldn't conclusively say "it will take X milliliters of venom injected into my (skin, muscle, vein) to have a 50% likelihood of killing me," but looking at the numbers are good for making rough comparisons between venoms. | |
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