Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...

I'm interested in parthenogenesis in scorpions and specifically the H. Hottentotta. I've read a lot about these and can't find any definitive facts about their breeding. Some say there are males and others say only females exist. Kelly Swift has some 2" HH for sale and even though they're WC, I'm interested but only if a female is likely.

I'm no expert, but I believe there are males, but the females are also parthenogenic. I hear males are very rare, and that some doubt they exist.

The genus Tityus also has species capable of parthenogenesis, with T. stigmurus being a very good looking scorpion.

i have a HH that popped twice. apparently all the HH circulating in our market are all females only. dunno in other countries though. i'm planning to get a Liocheles australasiae next month once i'm back home

there are a few partho species in the hobby. Yes males exist for hottentotta hottentotta but are rare and not available in the hobby. I second the T.stigmurus vote

@eddie: i think i've read an all male sp of tityus. how do they multiply?

With WC isn't there still a possibility of getting males in the hobby. Kelly has a CB T stig babies. Hmmm I have thinking to do. Thanks.

There's a slight possibilty I suppose but still rare.
Nheil, any more info on that? like the species name ? As far as I know there is no such thing.

wait i'll try looking for it again. i may be mistaken though since i was browsing thru pages quickly.

okay apparently i just misread the "all male brood" part in Tityus metuendus, i apologize

So there are really only two species in the pet trade that are readily available?

Liocheles australasiae, Hottentotta hottentotta and Tityus stigmurus seem to be fairly common in the trade. Some of the other parthenogenetic Tityus spp. are in collections but are harder to find for sale. Ananteris coineaui is none existent in the hobby as far as I'm aware.

The ones I know of:
Ananteris coineaui
Centruroides gracilis (Cuba)
Hottentotta hottentotta
Liocheles australasiae
Tityus columbianus
Tityus metuendus
Tityus serrulatus
Tityus stigmurus
Tityus trivittatus
Tityus uruguayensis

cody1984 wrote:

So there are really only two species in the pet trade that are readily available?

It's a rare trait, I don't expect there to be a lot of avaialbe. H.hottentotta and T.stigmurus are the most availble yes but every once in while you'll find others.

Just thought I'd let you guys know you talked me into a T stigmurus. I'm just shopping around now for good dealers with good prices I'm willing to pay

SilverTipped wrote:

Just thought I'd let you guys know you talked me into a T stigmurus. I'm just shopping around now for good dealers with good prices I'm willing to pay

Happy days

Be careful with them though, they have quite a potent venom.

So parthenogenetic species give birth to all females then?

Correct

yes they're basically clones of the mother.

I see. Tityus stig males are available in the hobby, correct?

No, not that I'm aware of. They're pretty rare even in their own habitat which is why the females evolved that parthenogenisi feature. Interesting evoultionary behavior not quite sure how it happens but I'm glad it does. We need some evolutionary biologist around here.

Here is a good read on parthogenesis:

http://www.americanarachnology.org/JoA_Congress/JoA_v27_n1/arac_27_01_0149.pdf

SilverTipped wrote:

Just thought I'd let you guys know you talked me into a T stigmurus. I'm just shopping around now for good dealers with good prices I'm willing to pay

lol..

is the c.gracilis from cuba the only parthenogenic sp. locality? i hope there's a chance that some slipped to captivity haha

Kale wrote:

Here is a good read on parthogenesis:

http://www.americanarachnology.org/JoA_Congress/JoA_v27_n1/arac_27_01_0149.pdf

Sweet THANKS!

I got my T stigmurus today and got a S mesaensis as a freebie. Thanks for the recommendation guys.

Wow awesome freebie.