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PostSubject: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/25/2013, 9:44 pm

I'm interested in parthenogenesis in scorpions and specifically the H. Hottentotta. I've read a lot about these and can't find any definitive facts about their breeding. Some say there are males and others say only females exist. Kelly Swift has some 2" HH for sale and even though they're WC, I'm interested but only if a female is likely.
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/25/2013, 9:57 pm

I'm no expert, but I believe there are males, but the females are also parthenogenic. I hear males are very rare, and that some doubt they exist.

The genus Tityus also has species capable of parthenogenesis, with T. stigmurus being a very good looking scorpion.
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/26/2013, 12:21 am


i have a HH that popped twice. apparently all the HH circulating in our market are all females only. dunno in other countries though. i'm planning to get a Liocheles australasiae next month once i'm back home Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/26/2013, 12:54 am

there are a few partho species in the hobby. Yes males exist for hottentotta hottentotta but are rare and not available in the hobby. I second the T.stigmurus vote
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/26/2013, 1:24 am


@eddie: i think i've read an all male sp of tityus. how do they multiply? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/26/2013, 7:30 am

With WC isn't there still a possibility of getting males in the hobby. Kelly has a CB T stig babies. Hmmm I have thinking to do. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/26/2013, 10:56 am

There's a slight possibilty I suppose but still rare.
Nheil, any more info on that? like the species name ? As far as I know there is no such thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/26/2013, 11:50 pm


wait i'll try looking for it again. i may be mistaken though since i was browsing thru pages quickly.
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/27/2013, 12:59 am


okay apparently i just misread the "all male brood" part in Tityus metuendus, i apologize Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/29/2013, 10:10 pm

So there are really only two species in the pet trade that are readily available?
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/30/2013, 7:04 am

Liocheles australasiae, Hottentotta hottentotta and Tityus stigmurus seem to be fairly common in the trade. Some of the other parthenogenetic Tityus spp. are in collections but are harder to find for sale. Ananteris coineaui is none existent in the hobby as far as I'm aware.
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/30/2013, 8:13 am

The ones I know of:
Ananteris coineaui
Centruroides gracilis (Cuba)
Hottentotta hottentotta
Liocheles australasiae
Tityus columbianus
Tityus metuendus
Tityus serrulatus
Tityus stigmurus
Tityus trivittatus
Tityus uruguayensis
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/30/2013, 11:03 am

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So there are really only two species in the pet trade that are readily available?
It's a rare trait, I don't expect there to be a lot of avaialbe. H.hottentotta and T.stigmurus are the most availble yes but every once in while you'll find others.
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/30/2013, 11:19 am

Just thought I'd let you guys know you talked me into a T stigmurus. I'm just shopping around now for good dealers with good prices I'm willing to pay Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/30/2013, 11:57 am

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Just thought I'd let you guys know you talked me into a T stigmurus. I'm just shopping around now for good dealers with good prices I'm willing to pay Very Happy

Happy days Very Happy

Be careful with them though, they have quite a potent venom.
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/30/2013, 1:38 pm

So parthenogenetic species give birth to all females then?

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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/30/2013, 1:48 pm

Correct Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/30/2013, 1:49 pm

yes they're basically clones of the mother.
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/30/2013, 1:51 pm

I see. Tityus stig males are available in the hobby, correct?

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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/30/2013, 2:04 pm

No, not that I'm aware of. They're pretty rare even in their own habitat which is why the females evolved that parthenogenisi feature. Interesting evoultionary behavior not quite sure how it happens but I'm glad it does. We need some evolutionary biologist around here.
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/30/2013, 5:17 pm

Here is a good read on parthogenesis:

http://www.americanarachnology.org/JoA_Congress/JoA_v27_n1/arac_27_01_0149.pdf
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/30/2013, 6:35 pm

SilverTipped wrote:
Just thought I'd let you guys know you talked me into a T stigmurus. I'm just shopping around now for good dealers with good prices I'm willing to pay Very Happy

lol..

is the c.gracilis from cuba the only parthenogenic sp. locality? i hope there's a chance that some slipped to captivity haha
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   4/30/2013, 6:57 pm

Kale wrote:
Here is a good read on parthogenesis:

http://www.americanarachnology.org/JoA_Congress/JoA_v27_n1/arac_27_01_0149.pdf
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   5/7/2013, 12:17 pm

I got my T stigmurus today and got a S mesaensis as a freebie. Thanks for the recommendation guys.
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PostSubject: Re: Interested in parthenogenetic scorpions and facts...   5/7/2013, 12:48 pm

Wow awesome freebie.
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