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PostSubject: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 12:03 pm

I ordered 3 scorpions last week that were brought over from Germany. Unfortunately 2 of them did not make it I believe due to a cold spell. They are being replaced this week though which is great. This one did survive the ordeal

Adult male Parabuthus liosoma in it temporary hide. It is still wandering around trying to figure out his new home

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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 12:41 pm


nice looking p.liosoma

good luck with the other two Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 12:45 pm

Thanks. I am a bit worried about a few black marks that you can see on the third leg snd also on the comb if you zoom in.

Is that micosis?
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 12:59 pm

yup it does look like mycosis. just raise the temps and keep everything in it's enclosure as bone dry as possible.
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 1:04 pm

Can they live with it ok if kept under control?
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 1:28 pm

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Can they live with it ok if kept under control?

I believe they can. Keep your scorpion nice and dry, even if it is from arid/semi-arid environment, when it has contracted mycosis it has been kept too humid.

I would add something small like a bottle cap for a water dish so that it can drink when necessary, but doesn't contain to much water, just a tiny layer.

If the mycosis doesn't spread I think it can do just fine.
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 1:31 pm

Yip, that is mycosis. Were they wild caught because that could be the reason for the mycosis.
They can still go on living and it doesn't look like it bothers them too much from what I have seen. Just keep dry and hot.
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 1:39 pm

Dont know if wild caught to be honest.

I did not know that wild ones got micosis. I thought it was from being in enclosures that are kept too humid.

Thanks for the comments. Hopefully the female arrives ok this time and i can breed them succesfully

Will keep you all posted
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 1:48 pm

I have seen a lot of wild caught specimens that had mycosis, anything could trigger it to infect scorpions. We should remember that scorpions don't actually live in true, loose sand deserts where it never rains and where no vegetation grows. They live in consolidated/ semi consolidated sand where vegetation is found and all plants needs water so it does rain. If the scorpion leaves it's burrow after a downpour then they could come into contact with water and this coud trigger mycosis. Dew also forms in these areas and this causes humidity to spike and trigger mycosis.
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 1:58 pm

Thanks. Is it contagious if a scorpion without micosis is put in the same enclosure as this one for example?
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 2:02 pm

I do not know the answer to that, rather be safe than sorry and keep them seperate except when introduced for mating. I think I read somewhere that it can infect on contact but I don't know if I could trust that observation.
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 2:10 pm

yes it can be contagious to other scorps. mycosis are fungal infections and as such reproduce via spores that may be airborne or needs contact to spread.
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 2:23 pm

Nice looking male. Yes a little mycosis just keep it dry and he should be fine.
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/16/2013, 3:48 pm

Its a fungus, Like the gentlemen above me stated: Keep it dry and you'll be fine. Its like athletes foot for scorpions.
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/17/2013, 3:13 am

Thanks guys
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/25/2013, 4:50 am

Hi guys, update on the liosoma

Eventhough the seller told me it was an adult male, it is spending a lot of time in the premoult pose, tail to one side, chela slightly open and not moving much. Even when a mealworm crawled over it. I thought it was dead but i nudged it and it sprang back into life with a bit of agro

The temp is about 29C on one side of the viv and about 26 on the other and its spending its time on the cooler side just lying on the sand

Any ideas whether it could be something other than a moult?

I also put a water dish near it and it does not seem to want to drink either

Any help will be appreciated
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/25/2013, 10:56 am

Sounds like normal liosoma behavior.
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/25/2013, 10:58 am

ahh ok thanks. I thought the fact it was not reacting to the mealworm walking over its back was a cause for concern

Will keep an eye out for any other strange behaviour
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/28/2013, 7:45 am

Unfortunately the male P liosoma died Crying or Very sad

Apart from the mycosis on legs and on one of its chela, it had extended mycosis underneath

I just stopped moving about and found it stiff this morning

We are having a serious word with the dealer as every scorp sent has had rather bad mycosis

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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/28/2013, 9:26 am

I'm sorry to hear that man. You know, it's never fun having animals die on you, let alone getting sick or injured ones in the mail. Maybe you wouldn't mind posting a dealer review after you clear things up with them?

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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/28/2013, 9:34 am

Yep, am gutted.

Unfortunately for a friend of mine, he bought in bulk from the dealer to resell in Spain, and he offered to replace them for me even if the bulk dealer had a" buy at your own risk" clause for international postage.

Was getting replacements from my friend for 2 that arrived dead in the post, but now that this one has died i dont want them. I may opt for some Hadrurus he has available and he has confirmed that came from somewhere else and look to be in fine health

Once we have discussed and concluded the issue directly with the main dealer, I will post a dealer review.
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/28/2013, 11:02 am

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Yep, am gutted.

Unfortunately for a friend of mine, he bought in bulk from the dealer to resell in Spain, and he offered to replace them for me even if the bulk dealer had a" buy at your own risk" clause for international postage.

Was getting replacements from my friend for 2 that arrived dead in the post, but now that this one has died i dont want them. I may opt for some Hadrurus he has available and he has confirmed that came from somewhere else and look to be in fine health

Once we have discussed and concluded the issue directly with the main dealer, I will post a dealer review.

I hear from all over the place the Ken the Bug guy is an excellent dealer, respects his animals and takes good care of them. Perhaps you would want to check him out. If a dealer isn't competent I won't spend money on the dealer to keep it going on. The welfare of the animal must come first IMO.
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/28/2013, 11:06 am

Yes, Ken is a truely respected dealer, only problem he is in the states and I am in Europe. Not sure I would trust a package to be in transit so long. There are very good scorpion dealers in Germany but unfortunately some are not that good. My mate chose the wrong one on this occasion.
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/28/2013, 11:09 am

shaneshac wrote:
Yes, Ken is a truely respected dealer, only problem he is in the states and I am in Europe. Not sure I would trust a package to be in transit so long. There are very good scorpion dealers in Germany but unfortunately some are not that good. My mate chose the wrong one on this occasion.

Perhaps polyped.de? I heard some nice things about mr. Grabowitz.
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PostSubject: Re: New P liosoma   3/28/2013, 11:27 am

I have heard good and bad things about a number of dealers. Usually unless i read lots of bad posts I tend to not pay a lot of attention. I currently have a few scorps reserved from another dealer and waiting for the weather to get a tad warmer before he sends

So far dealing with him has been great and hopefully I wont have a similar issue in transit or with the specimens delivered. The species on order are super!

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