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PostSubject: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 1:43 am

A simple trip to get cat food somehow turned into a "buy 2, throw in the third one for free" deal on emps.
Dunno how these things happen. scratch
Looks like the move brought out some amorous feelings, because it wasn't long before they were doing the mating wrestle, and within hours of putting them in their temporary critter keeper, I found this...





This is the male, with the broken chelae:



And the two females (I'm 90% sure, anyways):




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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 2:37 am

Congrats! Smile

Btw, i'm not sure if i get the scenario right.

You put in the three Pandinus imperatos into the same tank and within a few hours, you found two separate spermatophore?
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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 6:09 am

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Congrats! Smile

Btw, i'm not sure if i get the scenario right.

You put in the three Pandinus imperatos into the same tank and within a few hours, you found two separate spermatophore?
You got it!
Seems they celebrated their new home with an orgy...
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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 6:26 am

Lolz.. Nice!

About the sex ratio, did you witness the same male mated with two females?
As i do suspect that it is actually two males to a female as the refractory period for males to regenerate their "package" (spermatophore) is unlikely to be within a few hours.

Usually 3-6 days, fastest i've encountered is within 48hrs. It's slightly different among species Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 7:31 am

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Lolz.. Nice!

About the sex ratio, did you witness the same male mated with two females?
As i do suspect that it is actually two males to a female as the refractory period for males to regenerate their "package" (spermatophore) is unlikely to be within a few hours.

Usually 3-6 days, fastest i've encountered is within 48hrs. It's slightly different among species Smile

+1

I'm biased to believe too it's 2 males that mated with one female, for the reasons GS stated.
If this trio has been kept together at the pet store, this would explain the broken claw as well.
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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 7:53 am

+1 to everything GS and Dolby said.
Congrats on the mating. As previously stated, it's more likely that there are two males and one female. You may want to take a look at this thread: [HOW TO] Sexing Pandinus spp and Heterometrus spp
If you're still unsure which individuals are male and female, post pics and we can sex them for you.

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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 11:54 am

Congrats on the successful mating!

Well, I would hope it was successful after 2 hits in a few hours...poor girl Razz

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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 11:58 am

DolbyR wrote:
If this trio has been kept together at the pet store, this would explain the broken claw as well.
+1

Scorpion19981000 wrote:
If you're still unsure which individuals are male and female, post pics and we can sex them for you.
+1

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Well, I would hope it was successful after 2 hits in a few hours...poor girl Razz
Who knows, the female might have "faked orgasm" in one of the "hits" Laughing

Back to topic, most of the time, one successful insemination would suffice. But there's no harm keep a pair together for at least eight months or once you are certain that the female is about to "pop" soon Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 12:05 pm

Let's just hope the boys were grabbing the right claws... Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 12:31 pm

Scorpion19981000 wrote:
+1 to everything GS and Dolby said.
Congrats on the mating. As previously stated, it's more likely that there are two males and one female. You may want to take a look at this thread: [HOW TO] Sexing Pandinus spp and Heterometrus spp
If you're still unsure which individuals are male and female, post pics and we can sex them for you.
That helped.
So the scarred one is definitely a male, the big one is the female, and the only one I was iffy on before was the small one.
But after close comparison with the other two, it's pretty clearly a male as well.

So here's a question.
According to GS just above, one insemination will suffice. But can scorpions get impregnated by more than one male?
I know dogs and presumably other animals can.
And is my female the scorpion equivalent of the "town pump"?? Chin Scratch

Oh, and yes, they were all together in the pet store, too. They seemed pretty cozy, and the guy really didn't want to split the group up, since they seemed to get along so well. Hence the negotiating.
Little did I know... lol.
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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 12:53 pm

Here's the scarred one:



Here's the small one:



And the large one (makes sense she'd be the female):


Sorry about that quality - cellphones don't focus very well throuh semitranslucent tupperware... The female seems especially ill- tempered, with the small one being a bit skittish, but docile enough.
The scarred one is moody - sometimes fairly calm, sometimes grumpy.
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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 12:57 pm

Yup.

Pic1 = Male
Pic2 = Male
Pic3 = Female


Heckboy wrote:
So here's a question.
According to GS just above, one insemination will suffice. But can scorpions get impregnated by more than one male?
I know dogs and presumably other animals can.
And is my female the scorpion equivalent of the "town pump"?? Chin Scratch

The thing is.. like in your scenario when a female had mated with two males, we wouldn't know for sure which is the one she has actually accepted. Probably, she took in both but which till the point she knows that she is successfully inseminated, it probably take some time.

On many occasion, i have multiple males to mate with a single female in a breeding project. On each occasion, the female was given a few days of rest while the males took turns at her. The female seems to be receptive to the males advancement until she is sure of her own pregnancy and start to show rejection to the male's sexual advancement.

The earliest i have observed on the female rejection towards the male is right at the 2nd mating attempt.
Seven days from the first. However, do note that it might not be exactly the same as yours as it varies across specimens Smile


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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 8:06 pm

Thanks for the enlightenment. I'm both thrilled and slightly frightened by the idea of scorplings (much like I felt with my first child, lol).

Here's the big happy family:


The big female on the left and the small male:



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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 8:10 pm

The female:


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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 8:14 pm

The small male:


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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 8:17 pm

The other male:


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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/18/2012, 8:19 pm

The small male is the only one placid enough so far to handle:

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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/19/2012, 8:13 pm

out of curiousity
have you noticed any change in their interaction/aggression?

my female turned out to be gravid and with the death of my male and her aggression i realized i should have separated them (however they were only together 2 weeks). But these scorpions being raised together seems like a non issue.

I have scorplings now. congrats they're really awesome Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/19/2012, 9:37 pm

Do you mean aggression arising from pregnancy?
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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/21/2012, 7:52 pm

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out of curiousity
have you noticed any change in their interaction/aggression?

my female turned out to be gravid and with the death of my male and her aggression i realized i should have separated them (however they were only together 2 weeks). But these scorpions being raised together seems like a non issue.

I have scorplings now. congrats they're really awesome Smile
Can't say anything about any changes in behavior - they mated the night I brought them home but personality quirks aside, they seem to get along with each other just fine. Regardless, the males are getting their own more permanent enclosure in a few days, and for now the female can stay where she is.
I had thought a flat rock was necessary, and there wouldn't be any mating without one available. Nature finds a way, I guess. Smile
I know it'll be a while before knowing for certain if she's gravid, but I'm already madly researching raising P. Imperator scorplings.
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PostSubject: Re: New Scorpions. Likely gravid female!   6/21/2012, 10:03 pm

Heckboy wrote:
I know it'll be a while before knowing for certain if she's gravid, but I'm already madly researching raising P. Imperator scorplings.
Well done on that Smile
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