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PostSubject: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/13/2012, 2:17 pm

parabuthus liosoma. << information.

I need breed information.



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PostSubject: Re: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/13/2012, 4:46 pm

Check this out. It's great info!
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PostSubject: breed information   3/14/2012, 2:34 pm

from everything i've read, the P. liosoma are fairly easy to mate, but the male will be in danger once they're done mating. so when you mate them, it's best to keep an eye on them so as soon as the male releases the female, you can separate them. moving the female will cause too much stress. so move the male to a different enclosure when they're done. on average, their gestation period is 12 months, but it also depends on the maturity of the female, and the conditions she will be living in. juveniles, will have a gestation period as short as 8 months in the right conditions, but will have fewer young, be prepared to wait 18 months if she's an older scorpion. i can't say from experience, but this is what i've found in my research when i was thinking about breeding my P. liosoma. i hope this helps.
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PostSubject: Re: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/19/2012, 12:04 am

tfleming wrote:
Check this out. It's great info!
http://gsscorpions82.multiply.com/links/item/3
Thanks for the redirection mate Smile

Parabuthus liosoma can be kept the same way as Parabuthus transvaalicus.
In my experience, they might be more prone in getting mycosis as compared to the latter, so again, unrestricted (but secured) ventilation is highly advised.

[Discussion] Parabuthus transvaalicus / Parabuthus spp.

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PostSubject: Re: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/19/2012, 1:09 am

apollyon wrote:
from everything i've read, the P. liosoma are fairly easy to mate
True, so long as the pair are both sexually mature and the female is not gravid.

apollyon wrote:
but the male will be in danger once they're done mating.
You should use "might be", as it is not always the case that the male will suffer an attack from the female.

apollyon wrote:
so when you mate them, it's best to keep an eye on them so as soon as the male releases the female, you can separate them. moving the female will cause too much stress.
True on the "keeping an eye on the mating" but in terms of isolation either one of the pair, both suffer equal amount of "stress" no matter which you have chosen to relocate.

My advise is to mate a fresh adult pair in a tank that is also large enough to nurture the same female. If there is a need to separate the pair, the male can be easily removed. Any tank between 2.5 - 5 gallon is my recommended tank size for a brooding female.

apollyon wrote:
On average, their gestation period is 12 months, but it also depends on the maturity of the female, and the conditions she will be living in. juveniles, will have a gestation period as short as 8 months in the right conditions, but will have fewer young, be prepared to wait 18 months if she's an older scorpion...
Don't understand this part. How can juveniles have a gestation period? Or you may wish to rephrase your answer.

Generally..

Juvenile refers to 2-3.instar
Sub-adults: 4-5.instar
Adults: 6-7.instar
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PostSubject: Re: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/19/2012, 10:25 am

You're welcome GS!
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PostSubject: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/20/2012, 1:55 pm

i've often seen scorpions over 2" in lenght refered to as juveniles, but i didn't know what instar was the difference between juvenile and sub adult. so thanks for the guidance GS. i've read that most desert types will reach sexual maturity by their 4th instar. so i was thinking that they were still considered juveniles at that point. also GS, in your experience; would you say i'm close enough on the gestation periods? i'm going by what i've read, but have no actual experience breeding them. so i'd like to know what you've found in your experience.
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PostSubject: Re: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/20/2012, 3:33 pm

apollyon wrote:
i've often seen scorpions over 2" in lenght refered to as juveniles, but i didn't know what instar was the difference between juvenile and sub adult.

Even bigger species such as Pandinus, Heterometrus or Parabuthus are rarely if ever over 1" at 3i. A 2" scorpion would definitely be atleast a sub-adult.

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i've read that most desert types will reach sexual maturity by their 4th instar. so i was thinking that they were still considered juveniles at that point.

Please quote your source. Most species mature at 6-7i while SOME males can mature at 5i and some females can reach 8i (species specific).
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PostSubject: Re: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/20/2012, 7:55 pm

GS wrote:
Parabuthus liosoma can be kept the same way as Parabuthus transvaalicus.
In my experience, they might be more prone in getting mycosis as compared to the latter, so again, unrestricted (but secured) ventilation is highly advised.

At this point I'm pretty much acting as Gs's echo here by saying that these instructions are what work for breeding this sp.

I had a good friend breed this sp recently and he, for the most part, copied my trans setup replicating my watering frequency, temp, etc.
As far as sexual cannibalizm goes; I imagine there is a certain level of probability here, however, most species are tolerant with cohabitation for extended periods of time as long as the female isn't nearing the end of her gestation. In my experience I've kept a lot of species that aren't considered to be very social in pairs to insure insemination without incident.
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PostSubject: Re: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/21/2012, 1:56 am

DolbyR wrote:
apollyon wrote:
i've often seen scorpions over 2" in lenght refered to as juveniles, but i didn't know what instar was the difference between juvenile and sub adult.

Even bigger species such as Pandinus, Heterometrus or Parabuthus are rarely if ever over 1" at 3i. A 2" scorpion would definitely be at least a sub-adult.

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i've read that most desert types will reach sexual maturity by their 4th instar. so i was thinking that they were still considered juveniles at that point.

Please quote your source. Most species mature at 6-7i while SOME males can mature at 5i and some females can reach 8i (species specific).
+1
Couldn't have said it better.

apollyon wrote:
GS, in your experience; would you say i'm close enough on the gestation periods?
You may wish to start a new thread on your P.liosoma and include some background info on your pair.
Pictures would help. I'm sure the peeps here can offer some opinions as well.

Envyizm wrote:
As far as sexual cannibalizm goes; I imagine there is a certain level of probability here, however, most species are tolerant with cohabitation for extended periods of time as long as the female isn't nearing the end of her gestation. In my experience I've kept a lot of species that aren't considered to be very social in pairs to insure insemination without incident.
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That is my practice as well
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PostSubject: Re: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/21/2012, 8:55 am

my scorpion .


parbuthus liosoma mating video.

success???

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PostSubject: Re: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/21/2012, 11:42 am

chulminJ00 wrote:
success???

I'd say that the pairing was successful.
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PostSubject: Re: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/21/2012, 12:36 pm

one more time??? mating?
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PostSubject: Re: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/21/2012, 9:18 pm

Normally, one successful mating is enough.

But personally, i would like to be sure of successful insemination, i recommend to let the male to rest for 5 days.

And mate the male and female one more time.

Repeat the above process until the female is no longer submissive to the male.

Gestation period of P.liosoma may be between 8-14 months.

With regards to housing, i prefer to keep adults together in a breeder tank and only separates them when the female has displayed signs of being gravid.

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PostSubject: Re: parabuthus liosoma <<<< breed information. help me.   3/22/2012, 11:11 am

GS wrote:
With regards to housing, i prefer to keep adults together in a breeder tank and only separates them when the female has displayed signs of being gravid.

I've had a lot of success using this method as well. Letting them cohab for an extended period of time allows for the male to mate with the female as many times as need be.
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