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PostSubject: oliverius caucasicus   12/6/2011, 4:31 pm

Anyone has experience with this sp? Are they as toxic as occitanus?
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PostSubject: Re: oliverius caucasicus   12/6/2011, 6:12 pm

You will find more info if you search for Mesobuthus caucasicus instead of Oliverius. In fact, I can not find a paper to support the change of genus.
AFAIK, no venom data is officially available. But probably it's not too serious. Probably unpleasant though.
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PostSubject: Re: oliverius caucasicus   12/7/2011, 1:34 am

Originally it was in the genus Mesobuthus but it was transferred at the genus Oliverius. Probably it was as potent as a Buthus Occitanus (Level 3~4). And oh, it was also a former Androctonus spp.

http://www.science.marshall.edu/fet/euscorpius/fetpubl/Opinion%201933.pdf
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PostSubject: Re: oliverius caucasicus   12/7/2011, 4:02 am

Actually it was synonymized back with Mesobuthus in 2003.
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The species Mesobuthus caucasicus, found from Turkey to China, was placed in the monotypic genus Olivierus by Farzanpay (1987) depending on the number of granules on movable finger of pedipalp. Later, DNA studies by Gantenbein et al. (2003) demonstrated that the genus Olivierus was paraphyletic with respect to genus Mesobuthus. Therefore, Olivierus was synonymized with Mesobuthus. Among six subspecies of M. cau-casicus, Fet & Lowe (2000) listed the nominotypic sub-species as found in Turkey (see also Kovařík, 1998; Crucitti & Vignoli, 2002).

http://www.science.marshall.edu/fet/euscorpius/p2005_25.pdf

I won't comment on venom vs. occitanus (paris or tunetanus), I believe the toxicity to be in line with the rest of the genus, but without data from a legitimate study, it is pointless to make comparisons based on personal opinions or presumptions.

Stronger or not, I give them the same amount of respect and precaution than the rest of my buthids.
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PostSubject: Re: oliverius caucasicus   12/7/2011, 9:13 am

Thanks! I plan to get one of these. Nice transparent look.
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