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PostSubject: Heterometrus ID   Heterometrus ID Empty11/6/2011, 5:28 pm

Hi all,

I asked this question on another forum and I was sent here for a better opinion, so here goes:

I just purchased what was labelled as a Vietnamese Forest Scorpion (Heterometrus laoticus).

Now I know the Heterometrus sp. are hard to ID and that suppliers are renowned for incorrectly labeling animals so I was wondering if anyone with knowledge of these scorpions could take a look at some pics and tell me if it is indeed a Vietnamese as there were also some labelled Asian Forest Scorpions (Heterometrus spinifer) which looked exactly the same.

Are there any ways to tell the difference between the different ones without knowing their source of origin?

Also, I know these can live as a communal species but are there any issues with mixing H.Laoticus with H.Spinifer as how can you be sure of what you have?

Thescorpion in question is pictured below:

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Many thanks in advance,

Dave
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PostSubject: Re: Heterometrus ID   Heterometrus ID Empty11/6/2011, 5:42 pm

You might want to take a look at this.

Can you get some close up pics of the carapace? This would be helpful. From what I can see, I'd say H. spinifer. But I can't be sure from the pics. (The pics need to be clear enough, so that I can see the granulation on the carapace) Heterometrus laoticus has no carapace granulation, it should be completely smooth.

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PostSubject: Re: Heterometrus ID   Heterometrus ID Empty11/6/2011, 6:37 pm

Thanks for your help and the very interesting link.

Tried to get a close up but pic is not that great, will try and get a better pic in natural light tomorrow.

Not sure if this pic helps any.

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PostSubject: Re: Heterometrus ID   Heterometrus ID Empty11/7/2011, 1:49 am

From those pictures i'm 90% sure it's laoticus.
Reasons;
Jet black carapace with no green tinting (spinifer usually has tinting)
Seems to have no granulation on carapace sans the tiny specs on the cheek, spinifers have more usually
Seems to have a more compact body like a laoticus

As for the question of mixing it really depends on the individual scorpion and species and size of enclosure when mixing species. I've heard of successes with mixing emperors and spinifers, i've sadly never heard of the outcomes of laoticus and spinifer communal setups.

If you try it be very very careful.
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PostSubject: Re: Heterometrus ID   Heterometrus ID Empty11/7/2011, 3:28 am

The granulation on the chelae is bit suspicious. H. laoticus has completely smooth chelae.
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PostSubject: Re: Heterometrus ID   Heterometrus ID Empty11/7/2011, 9:22 am

DolbyR wrote:
The granulation on the chelae is bit suspicious. H. laoticus has completely smooth chelae.
+1
Also, I can see some granulation on the carapace, if it was laoticus, it should be completely smooth. I hate trying to ID Heterometrus. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Heterometrus ID   Heterometrus ID Empty11/7/2011, 9:25 am

Scorpion19981000 wrote:
I hate trying to ID Heterometrus. Smile

Try to ID Euscorpius. It's even worse lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Heterometrus ID   Heterometrus ID Empty11/7/2011, 9:57 am

Scorpion19981000 wrote:
DolbyR wrote:
The granulation on the chelae is bit suspicious. H. laoticus has completely smooth chelae.
+1
Also, I can see some granulation on the carapace, if it was laoticus, it should be completely smooth. I hate trying to ID Heterometrus. Smile

The plot thickens. I'm not even going to try an ID on this as I wouldn't know where to start lol.

Is there any good books on Hets??
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PostSubject: Re: Heterometrus ID   Heterometrus ID Empty11/7/2011, 12:07 pm

Cheers for your help on this matter everyone.

I have tried to get some better pics today and there definitely appears to be some granulation (although I'm not 100% on what I'm looking for).

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So I'm guessing that it's a H.Spinifer?






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PostSubject: Re: Heterometrus ID   Heterometrus ID Empty11/7/2011, 5:31 pm

I'm more leaning towards H.petersii.
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PostSubject: Re: Heterometrus ID   Heterometrus ID Empty11/7/2011, 6:07 pm

Callum B wrote:
Is there any good books on Hets??
You might want to take a look at this.

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PostSubject: Re: Heterometrus ID   Heterometrus ID Empty11/7/2011, 6:15 pm

DolbyR wrote:
I'm more leaning towards H.petersii.
I would say it is either H. spinifer or H. petersii. I am also leaning towards H. petersii, the body looks more compact than H. spinifer.

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PostSubject: Re: Heterometrus ID   Heterometrus ID Empty11/8/2011, 3:18 am

I agree.
However, black telson usually is typical for laoticus and petersii. spinifers usually have a dark brown one. Though this is not 100% accurate. I have seen some black telsoned emps too.
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