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PostSubject: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/11/2011, 1:23 am

when i move slowly, then stay motionless, my h.arizonesis don't mind me. but they are startled when i move at a normal speed.

after my male and female settled into the viv, and i move as noted above, they act is if i wasnt there. when i first received them the male was always cautious and wary at any glimpse of me, now seems like it's different?
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 3:42 am

no.scorpions have a nervous system different than ours and snakes.scorpions are hardwired to survive.they will never learn to recognize you.
it was really edgy at first but now has calmed down because its settled in to its new home and is somewhat used to its enviroments vibrations.hes getting bolder is all.

snakes arent machines.they actually have a brain and decipher simple things like to gauge the distance they are from the ground.no abc or mathematical equations though.they can also learn a keepers scent and read our body language and learn to trust a keeper which a scorpion will never do.more goes on behind a snakes eyes than you think.especially snakes that are more adept visually and at the peak of snake "intelligence".
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 4:19 am

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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 4:21 am

seriously,kinda like when you think your done pinching a loaf and then another turtle sticks its head out and its a different color.
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 4:23 am

lol sounds cool but lemme google the words first..
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 4:24 am

hahahahahaha
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 4:26 am

so when you are done squeezing a meatbread and then another turtle comes looking it has a different color. Dude I dont get it, you're too intelligent for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 4:41 am

the two different predators are like the tirds hence being two different colors.
one is meatloaf and one is the ops human brain i ate the night before. Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 11:37 am

shining wrote:
no.scorpions have a nervous system different than ours and snakes.scorpions are hardwired to survive.they will never learn to recognize you.
it was really edgy at first but now has calmed down because its settled in to its new home and is somewhat used to its enviroments vibrations.hes getting bolder is all.

snakes arent machines.they actually have a brain and decipher simple things like to gauge the distance they are from the ground.no abc or mathematical equations though.they can also learn a keepers scent and read our body language and learn to trust a keeper which a scorpion will never do.more goes on behind a snakes eyes than you think.especially snakes that are more adept visually and at the peak of snake "intelligence".

+1

thanks again shining!

a coworker gave me a simpler answer, scorpion is dumber than snake. but that concise answer is going to leave me question-less for some time! Very Happy

ur guys jokes look bunny, but me not know understand. not my intelligence level.
....LoL ya stinkin geniuses Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 1:28 pm

I didnt get it either thats why I deviated to google. Google is your friend.
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 2:58 pm

Being able to tell that you're not on the ground isn't intelligent it's being able to see.


Scorpions don't have the capacity to learn and if your scorpion was big enough would eat you without remorse.
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 4:36 pm

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Being able to tell that you're not on the ground isn't intelligent it's being able to see.


Scorpions don't have the capacity to learn and if your scorpion was big enough would eat you without remorse.

+1 my pet would eat me! muhaahahhaha! wow! thanks !
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 4:46 pm

I wish we could train scorps would be awesome ... However I would have to say that T's I believe can be ... Um... Not trained ... Maybe conditioned as mine have
Changed behavior wise since ive been tong feeding

They seem to know that I'm there to feed not hurt they don't run off they wait for me to feed... Whereas before as soon as the tank ws touched they would leg it

I believe they have got used to me somehow it's cool I will... Somehow... Hold my regalis lol Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 4:48 pm

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I wish we could train scorps would be awesome ... However I would have to say that T's I believe can be ... Um... Not trained ... Maybe conditioned as mine have
Changed behavior wise since ive been tong feeding

They seem to know that I'm there to feed not hurt they don't run off they wait for me to feed... Whereas before as soon as the tank ws touched they would leg it

I believe they have got used to me somehow it's cool I will... Somehow... Hold my regalis lol Smile

+1 thx bex! mark... im givin the cobalt blue a second thought Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 6:52 pm

Well I think mine have learned, because I have a stick in my tank and my male would always try and climb it. Every time he tried he got better and better. Until one night, I was reading a book in my bed and I heard the typical sound of his claws hitting glass. I looked down and saw he was climbing on one of the thinnest parts. The first couple times he tries and climbs the stick he would get on it and fall off. On his most successful run, he used his claws as grips on the sticks.

If thats not learning, I don't know what is.
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 7:34 pm

my emp scorpion is smart it attacks everything and trys to eat it except the other baby emp
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 8:29 pm

Cyanide wrote:
Being able to tell that you're not on the ground isn't intelligent it's being able to see.


Scorpions don't have the capacity to learn and if your scorpion was big enough would eat you without remorse.

didnt say it was intelligent.
hold a snake just above the ground enough for it to extend and try to slither away,pull your arm back up slowly and the snake will pull itself back up.it can see and adjust.they are more perceptive to their enviroments and more adaptive.
the rest of the paragraph explains some of the other instances a snake isnt just a machine.

in reality we are all machines,all the humans,all the animals.we all are programmed for one thing to survive and procreate.some machines are just created more advanced than other machines.

i would like to see a video of a giant scorpion eating a human!!!!
bruuuttttallll!!!!

mrpotato did mention something about his emp figuring out how to crawl up something so i guess they can figure out how to crawl up things like they are wired to do.

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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 9:11 pm

shining wrote:
Cyanide wrote:
Being able to tell that you're not on the ground isn't intelligent it's being able to see.


Scorpions don't have the capacity to learn and if your scorpion was big enough would eat you without remorse.

didnt say it was intelligent.
hold a snake just above the ground enough for it to extend and try to slither away,pull your arm back up slowly and the snake will pull itself back up.it can see and adjust.they are more perceptive to their enviroments and more adaptive.
the rest of the paragraph explains some of the other instances a snake isnt just a machine.

in reality we are all machines,all the humans,all the animals.we all are programmed for one thing to survive and procreate.some machines are just created more advanced than other machines.

i would like to see a video of a giant scorpion eating a human!!!!
bruuuttttallll!!!!

mrpotato did mention something about his emp figuring out how to crawl up something so i guess they can figure out how to crawl up things like they are wired to do.



Of course anything can adapt to an environment that it lives in. Being that the capacity of a brain in a scorpion is mostly reserved for things like eat, sleep, poop and survive, ........the fact that it perseveres to do an activity that might lead it to better feeding grounds or homing/birthing areas (IE: climbing the stick and continuing to climb the stick) suggests to me an intelligence of some sort. An ability to consider a way to improve it's current situation with something more than instinct?

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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 9:31 pm

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[. An ability to consider a way to improve it's current situation with something more than instinct?


my entire argument is saying a snake is more perceptive and adaptive to its enviroment than a scorpion and can learn its keepers and to affiliate things with certain other things unlike a scorpion.an example of that is my snake will extend itself from someone else holding it to come back to me because it memorized my scent and try to come back to the scent its familiar with and trusts and learned isnt a predator or threat.

technically everything has the ability to better themselves and comprehend its enviroments with the brains and nervous systems they are provided with.
everything seeks out food its instinct.everything tries to make themselves comfortable in its enviroment or by seeking out a new enviroment.a natural instinctual drive everything is born with to survive.

i believe the op was getting at,since he "likes scorpions more than humans"and by giving the examples he gave the real question was,"can the scorpion learn to recognize him and is that why he doesnt runaway when he comes by"that is the root of this question.

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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 10:09 pm

shining wrote:
Annababe wrote:
[. An ability to consider a way to improve it's current situation with something more than instinct?


my entire argument is saying a snake is more perceptive and adaptive to its enviroment than a scorpion and can learn its keepers and to affiliate things with certain other things unlike a scorpion.an example of that is my snake will extend itself from someone else holding it to come back to me because it memorized my scent and try to come back to the scent its familiar with and trusts and learned isnt a predator or threat.

technically everything has the ability to better themselves and comprehend its enviroments with the brains and nervous systems they are provided with.
everything seeks out food its instinct.everything tries to make themselves comfortable in its enviroment or by seeking out a new enviroment.a natural instinctual drive everything is born with to survive.

i believe the op was getting at,since he "likes scorpions more than humans"and by giving the examples he gave the real question was,"can the scorpion learn to recognize him and is that why he doesnt runaway when he comes by"that is the root of this question.


LOL Shining cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 10:19 pm

Yeah, took him weeks to figure out the stick. He just mindlessly climes it walk an inch and the fall.he kept going back on.

Though I think you can breed out the predator instinct. At my home we have a compost, and flies would like crazy in the compost, after a few months, the flies wouldn't run away if swung at them. Therefor if you continually breed the scorps, they will most likely not be afraid of every thing. I believe we see this in emperor scorpions today. They are one of the most docile and the have been a popular choice.
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 10:43 pm

The vast majority of captive Emperor scorpions are wild caught however...
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 10:52 pm

emps are just the puppy dogs of scorpions and i believe thats just the way they are.
it is a good theory though.


it all deserves some looking into.
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 11:44 pm

Excellent point there street, but there must be a reason for the docileness... We must investigate!
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PostSubject: Re: Can scorpions learn or are they machines like snakes?   9/12/2011, 11:58 pm

You know those guys that are big, thick necked working men? Just sorta stupid? Like Lenny from Of Mice and Men. That's emperor scorpions.
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