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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/7/2011, 12:09 am

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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/7/2011, 12:26 am

i'm slowly learning the hobby, while i don't understand your extreme frustration.

i slowly applied everyone's guidance, and the scorpions are living communal as i desired.

my hoffmanius spinigerus are large enough to eat pin heads now. i prepared the aquarium Very Happy how's erica, the albino eater and the other one doing?

i added sand/excavator(dried) mix as top soil to the 40 gallon for uniformity. the male likes the skull, so it is partially buried near his burrows.

next week my h. longimanus will arrive, and that viv ready too Very Happy

i have another 11gallon prepped as a desert viv. i am debating to keep it for the h.arizonesis slings, a brown 4.5" leiurus quinquestriatus or a black bicolor a.adroctnus?

idk.... i think, im just going to continue my scorpion posts on fb. i did not intend to offend you.
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/7/2011, 9:33 pm

dude you have plenty of time to make adjustments considering how many times youve posted about this and texted me about it and how you have changed it so many different times since the shishkabob sticks.

im going to list some things i feel that needs to be done to help those scorpions out and make that viv more visually stimulating.

1.change the substrate to the ratio of excavator clay and sand everyone has mentioned and do not use that cat litter you got from the playground where fat kids swing at get some from the petstore.

2.make two slopes to plateaus kinda like you had going on in the beginning.

3.take those two half logs,stab them deep into the sides of those plateaus.making only a slight amount of the logs arch stick out dunelike(meaning sand will cover the entire tops of em covered and packed down with sand).refer back to the pics in those links i sent you especially Bex' haddy set up.

4.the flat rocks you have in there.get two of the lightest in weight and stab one into each of the sides of the plateaus like you did with step number 2 and refer to Shebeens haddy setup to make it like that.you can put two other flat rocks on top of each plateaus as well for more burrowing spots.once again look at Shebeens usage of his flat rocks.

5.that big heavy flat funk rock.put some kinda of crutch under it like some of those unused flatrocks.make sure there is not enough substrate between the bottom of the viv and that heavy rock so they dont burrow under it and possibly get crushed.

6.do i see some kind of sponge or cotton i that water bowl?remove that and put some gravel in it to make it not as deep and put that water bowl in the middle near the front of the viv or the back depending on the funk rocks placement just place it on the opposite side.

7. do not put aspen shavings or eco earth or anything else.keep it simple and naturalistic.

8.you cant do much to prevent your haddies from fighting so dont clutter it up too much and expect em to not be pissy scorps trying to push it all around and moving crap all the time.

9.if i need to draw some pictures for this to be visualized better i will,because i want the best for those scorpions and it looks terrible to be honest.

10.you wanted guidance,there it is in numbered steps and immortalized in a post so you can look it all up instead of asking the same questions over and over again.

disclaimer:this is only what i would do if i had those haddies and that tank and materials.it is not what has to be done but would as i feel definitely improve that viv all the way around.


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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/7/2011, 9:41 pm

I personally go for liveability over visually appealing. I would rather my scorps be in a better area than me looking at it since i'm not propping a chair in front of my rack and staring at them all day. Looks fine to me, just make sure there is physical supports under heavier materials that can be dug under and take those shavings out and just put in burrowable sand and you're good to go.
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/7/2011, 10:06 pm

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i'm slowly learning the hobby, while i don't understand your extreme frustration.

i slowly applied everyone's guidance, and the scorpions are living communal as i desired.

my hoffmanius spinigerus are large enough to eat pin heads now. i prepared the aquarium Very Happy how's erica, the albino eater and the other one doing?

i added sand/excavator(dried) mix as top soil to the 40 gallon for uniformity. the male likes the skull, so it is partially buried near his burrows.

next week my h. longimanus will arrive, and that viv ready too Very Happy

i have another 11gallon prepped as a desert viv. i am debating to keep it for the h.arizonesis slings, a brown 4.5" leiurus quinquestriatus or a black bicolor a.adroctnus?

idk.... i think, im just going to continue my scorpion posts on fb. i did not intend to offend you.

yes you are slowly learning the hobby.

i am happy a male and female pair are living together without killing eachother.

uniformity is boring and isnt what i was talking about when i suggested you sprinkle some eco earth or sand here and there to minimalize the uniformity.

i and many others have mentioned this to you before.seperating slings,especially this species would be in your and the scorps best interest.deli cups and one in each.

erica is gravid.that v.spin is not an albino just lighter.all three of those slings are doing great.i believe a molt is soon as the signs are there.except for that one you call an albino.it just never refuses food and is way more active than any scorp i have.

i dont suggest you get any andros or lqs.you were stung the first day i sold you those c.sculpts.you have three species going on now.enjoy those for awhile and gain some experience before you get something that could potentially kill you.

you can turn to facebook if you feel they have knowledgable experienced people who keep scorpions that can answer your questions and such.

im not offended.



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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/7/2011, 10:13 pm

yep what i suggested doubles as liveability and visually stimulating.
my suggestions were my own opinion of what i would do.
i dont prop a chair and sit in front of my vivs either but i like to look at something nice when i do look at it.again just my opinion.
i bet your worst looking viv looks better than whats going on in those pics right now.
am i wrong Chrome? Very Happy

if hes happy with the way it is he should keep it that way.because that is what matters the most.
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/8/2011, 1:01 am

i have a communal setup Very Happy and i stare at them from my bed, chair or desk.

i learned a number that could be considered. h.arizonesis need 1 square foot of territory of their preference. i watched the female chase the male back to his square foot. zero fights and i watched Very Happy

the water pillow is there to sustain the cricks that evade the h.arizonesis.

whew... i was worried that i offended you again. sorry again about destroying your art.

i am treating the forum like a "scorpion-only face book"

i am open to suggestion as i slowly apply them.

i applied and tested most of them.

thanks for all the input guys!




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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/8/2011, 1:05 am



the most boring viv...

set aside for the h.spinigerus and death stalker...

i have velcro security on the bark cage. i am going to use it on the brown 4.5 inch death stalker. yup good guidance. ill enjoy my current scorps for now Very Happy need the money and more experience Smile
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/8/2011, 1:12 am

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i bet your worst looking viv looks better than whats going on in those pics right now.
am i wrong Chrome? Very Happy
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LOL I have so many scorps and T's that I don't have the luxury of creating good looking vivs for most of them so unless a tupperware container with a piece of toilet paper roll is better than his viv then sure! But naw, I've got some nice ones but again, once you get to a point it's no longer conceivable to try for visual gleefulness with everything. Think ive got 5 tanks that are visually "appealing"ish, but they all work. Maybe i'll try a bit more when I get a few more R. junceus for a larger communal setup or try again for an emperor tank and get another rack but until then this is pretty much better than most of my stuff.

*edit* Holy jesus that's alot of sand substrate, that thing must weigh a ton!

*edit on the edit*
And Mister, dont worry about offending people with simple questions and stuff, there's an old saying in carpentry "If they can't take a joke, f@%$ em". Your setup looks just fine to me except bark shavings makes me want to punch children.
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/8/2011, 1:23 am

you're my hero chrome! Very Happy

LMAO Smile true true Smile thanks! Very Happy

my carpenter friend here wants me to try to make a viv out of concrete. poured molded filled... idea in the works Very Happy

i want to try keeping a scorp in one of my combat boots Very Happy

weighs about 200pounds. feels like 300..

is that a lock or a warrior? your pic is cool. i quit wow... too expensive Sad hard to make time too... so i jus xbox live nowadays...
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/8/2011, 1:26 am

"Your setup looks just fine to me except bark shavings makes me want to punch children."

LMAO LMAO
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/8/2011, 1:49 am

yeah Chrome a piece of toilet paper.horrorible.But i am really anal when people keep more species than they can make a decent existance for em too.

personally i feel if you cant put something in the minimal size container,put some substrate in and something for in you should seriously reconsider keeping so many things if you cant afford the minimal.me i have a deep passion and care for animals and feel they deserve the best while we keep em in our posession.

it all comes down to personal preference and how each keeper feels towards the animals they keep.

the best thing about this life is difference in opinion,not everyone is going to feel the same or be the same person and uniformity of opinion isnt required.

i offend people all the time Greg and i really dont care,because the way you feel is the way you feel.

asking questions doesnt offend anyone.
not asking questions offends yourself.

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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/8/2011, 1:58 am

i hope that was a joke about your combat boot.
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/8/2011, 2:58 am

They can climb concrete, not matter what you do to it. Bad idea if you would ask me. Btw watch out that glass doesnt crack when moving or lifting with the amount of sand in it.

I do agree with shiner over here. I am making two huge tanks right now, to probably only house two species in. Tropical ones.

This makes for great enclosures and thats actually whats it about to me. Making a great enclosure for a great scorp (which I found two species of). It has to look great since you dont see the scorpions all the time, at least you see a piece of nature in your home.

To me it is not about collecting them anymore.

I will keep the scorpions I have, sell the youngsters. The others will die of old age and I will be keeping Tityus only from now on in two tanks 1.20m high, 50cm deep and 40 wide each. Ventilated with a fan and 4 heatbulbs and ordinary lights to mimick day nightlight and naturaly gradient for warming things up. They will be filled with huge pieces of corckbark and pothos plants as well as other exotic ones that dont grow too big or are easily trimmed.

I have 6 asthenes I will put in one and let them breed untill the viv is crammed with asthenes, the other one will be obscurus. This way I have cool looking enclosures instead of tubs with scorpions in it. I think I have seen the light for me. My personal light lol

So Mister, do what you want, just keep in mind the scorpions natural habitat and work ideas out of that. Nothing synthetic, nothing weird to them. Desert vivs are harder, because you cant do much with it, but get a pic from internet or look outside since you are in arizona, and try to imitate a little piece of desert that you like and looks suitable for scorps. Also, mix the earth with something like clay or bentonite, so they can dig, otherwise having a huge amount of sand like that is useless. It will cave in and keep caving in.
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/8/2011, 8:17 pm

coo! Smile understand you much better now Smile

in the middle east and north west africa, we often had scorpion vs spider fights. but my attitude changed, and i see scorpions as another one of my precious pets now. i hate it when they fight. got the happy couple in the 40 gallon Very Happy

the male is staring at me now Smile 4:49PM

looks and temperament, the brown death stalker is the only scorpion i desire to collect next.

but for now i am going to populate the h.longimanus viv, c.sculpturatus viv and h spinigerus.

a combat boot isnt synthetic. we lived with them. kinda doin it again livin in a phoenix home with jus a swamp cooler. LoL some of us grew more tolerant, while some have grow more allergic. i put brown large scorpion in my sleeping bag while i was on watch. if anybody got rest while i was on watch, they can f*(&in die Smile he was my prized fighter at the time. when i needed my sleeping bag i put him in just worn boots with roaches. had em for a while. then one day he was gone.

kind of serious. i want to keep a scorpion in my boot again. wouldnt it make an excellent aquarium decoration?

i was savin the tuper ware for slings, but shinning showed me delicups can be artistic.

the concrete thing... it's okay if they climb. i doubt they would leave. but i use velcro tape Very Happy

phoenix is naturally good for scorpions. just my h.longimanus needs misting or the babies. ya had to do a lot to get the climate right kudos! Very Happy good job!

i want to suggest a photo rating system for the forum. so all the photos can be all in one place Very Happy instead a dozen posts... how do i make a suggestion?

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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/8/2011, 8:37 pm

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is that a lock or a warrior? your pic is cool. i quit wow... too expensive Sad hard to make time too... so i jus xbox live nowadays...

It's my old main a boomkin druid in VOA during the middle part of the WotLK expansion. Think it was 2 weeks after ulduar came out and just killed freya for that tree trunk looking caster staff. I now play a prot pally.

And the pieces of toilet paper rolls are for small hides for slings when I house them in deli cups until they get large enough for a normal container, much easier to maintain and make when you get brood after brood.
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/8/2011, 8:48 pm

drood ftw! prot pally will takes forever to gear up! i prefer my orc tank war Razz

noted. i think tp roll pieces are better than bark pieces. slings are so fragile...
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/8/2011, 9:31 pm

concrete viv and boot viv honestly is the stupidest thing i ever heard.you have to be retarded to even think that was cool.

your longimanus is going to need a little more than misting.

that makes sense Chrome if your scorps are $lut$.jeez.

i believe there is a suggestion section somewhere in here or you can pm an admin or mod.haahaha.kinda wish theyd get on here for their wisdom and supervision.some people need a good talking too.
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/9/2011, 4:45 pm

concrete viv is similar to toilet paper viv. but much more spacious. imagine a 3inch wide 6 meter tall, filled with excavator, concrete maze molded square. inside wall is wall is glass, pocketed with vent/prey feed entry points. switch actuated uv lights. rheostat heat. ventilation fans, rubber/dynamat to stop vibration. timed lighting. so imagine stepping inside the square. naturally it's wts haddy wants Razz but the concrete viv is not your preference. and i understand Smile

call me retad it's okay. large brown scorpion was more than content in just a combat boot Razz no every1 has retard experiences, retard nostalgia or retardation in general. eventually we will all get "sane" Smile

you are cool, but weird in my book Smile but i understand your position Smile ... well if you convince me, a combat boot is more imprisoning than an aquarium, i'll change my disposition Wink

Sad my large brown scorpion left... but it was free to leave... did it really just leave? Sad

...yes chrome you treat the slings like sluts. but! the sibling eaters are more resilient!? Darwinism? i was heart broken to give to you "albino", shining ... he's tough Very Happy he's an eater! Very Happy but i am know he is in good hands Smile part of me wants to laugh at the weak one, it died from a heart attack in transit Razz ...

shining, pluto and others, you are my "good talking to" and i am happy to know it's a free forum Very Happy

if we are doing horrible, i'd like the supervision now too!
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/9/2011, 4:48 pm

hahaha im loving the skull with bandana Smile awesome s h i t Smile

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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/9/2011, 4:49 pm

6 meters is almost twenty feet there bro.

Maybe you can use a combat boot as a hide inside of a normal viv?
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/9/2011, 4:51 pm

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6 meters is almost twenty feet there bro.

Maybe you can use a combat boot as a hide inside of a normal viv?

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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/9/2011, 5:08 pm

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hahaha im loving the skull with bandana Smile awesome s h i t Smile


THANKS BEX! Very Happy it's the male's fav along with the concrete half shingle. his patrol is through the srub, wood burrow under the rock, skull then half shingle. the shingle seems to be his stronghold Very Happy he sometimes ventures into female territory. then is chased back Smile no fights! bc after he is back in his stronghold, female returns.

female ambushes from the high flat rock and retreats to her corners or the skull when startled.

she hardly patrols, but leaves burrow only to ambush prey and digest.

But the male occasionally glares at me Very Happy LoL need to home depot shop some tile and screen for their comfort. screen... i have an itching feelin they danced while i was at work or school... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/9/2011, 5:12 pm

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6 meters is almost twenty feet there bro.

Maybe you can use a combat boot as a hide inside of a normal viv?

+1 Smile

guys... earlier post, i thought of using the combat boot as an aquarium hide/decor? Very Happy Sad i dont really want to mutilate the boot, it's a keepsake, but it might be tall... ??
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PostSubject: Re: misterm16ge's communal arizonesis (viv pic, adult m/f movin into viv on 8 26 11)   9/9/2011, 5:13 pm

im loving it whatever you do Smile

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