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scorpion111 Post-whore
Number of posts : 3455 Age : 29 Location : scotland Registration date : 2008-04-07
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/26/2008, 4:20 pm | |
| you got tagged- by a deathstalker! how are you still alive? | |
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Kejser Administrator
Number of posts : 1373 Age : 37 Location : Denmark Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/26/2008, 4:32 pm | |
| there is a differnt in the stings that scorpions give.. Prey stings, dry stings.. its possible that Eddy got a dry sting or got a sting that really didnt have any venom in it.. | |
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scorpion111 Post-whore
Number of posts : 3455 Age : 29 Location : scotland Registration date : 2008-04-07
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/26/2008, 4:58 pm | |
| - Kejser wrote:
- there is a differnt in the stings that scorpions give.. Prey stings, dry stings.. its possible that Eddy got a dry sting or got a sting that really didnt have any venom in it..
veerrry lucky. | |
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freeman Centruroides
Number of posts : 128 Age : 43 Location : Poland Registration date : 2008-03-19
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/26/2008, 11:28 pm | |
| you are lucky. deatstalkers stings rarely ends up with death but your symptoms was very mild. were you very scared when he taged you? | |
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Mr. Mordax Administrator
Number of posts : 7743 Age : 38 Location : PNW Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/26/2008, 11:53 pm | |
| This thread has been moved to the general forum as per the sting report guidelines: - ~Abyss~ wrote:
- Please no discussions; these will be moved to the general discussion forum.
Eddy probably won't reply for a while because he's busy with school. It would be interesting to know his thoughts when it happened. | |
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liette Centruroides
Number of posts : 185 Age : 34 Location : Malaysia Registration date : 2008-02-25
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/27/2008, 2:13 am | |
| I was always under the perception that one sting and that's it. | |
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Kejser Administrator
Number of posts : 1373 Age : 37 Location : Denmark Registration date : 2008-02-06
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*Connie* Post-whore
Number of posts : 3705 Age : 40 Location : England Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/27/2008, 3:54 am | |
| we do have this discussion in this forum already. I started it I believe xxxx | |
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Mr. Mordax Administrator
Number of posts : 7743 Age : 38 Location : PNW Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/27/2008, 11:07 am | |
| I guess a sting report by a supposedly incredibly deadly scorpion is going to get a lot of attention. Another way to look at the sting: LD50 of L. quinquistriatus = ~0.25 mg venom per kg body mass Assume Eddy weighs around 200 lbs = 91 kg Required venom for a 50% chance of kill = 23 mg Next question: does anyone know the average volumetric mass of a scorpion's sting? Also useful would be the differences in volume between a warning defensive sting, a "get the hell out!" defensive sting, and one used to subdue prey. | |
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Kejser Administrator
Number of posts : 1373 Age : 37 Location : Denmark Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/27/2008, 11:13 am | |
| and i take that you found that LD50 from mice? so it might even be bigger for humans.. | |
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Mr. Mordax Administrator
Number of posts : 7743 Age : 38 Location : PNW Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/27/2008, 11:29 am | |
| Well, they typically don't perform LD50 studies on humans. And you know people would get irritated if it were tried on other primates. | |
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freeman Centruroides
Number of posts : 128 Age : 43 Location : Poland Registration date : 2008-03-19
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/27/2008, 11:34 am | |
| - IHeartMantids wrote:
- I guess a sting report by a supposedly incredibly deadly scorpion is going to get a lot of attention.
Another way to look at the sting: LD50 of L. quinquistriatus = ~0.25 mg venom per kg body mass Assume Eddy weighs around 200 lbs = 91 kg Required venom for a 50% chance of kill = 23 mg
Next question: does anyone know the average volumetric mass of a scorpion's sting? Also useful would be the differences in volume between a warning defensive sting, a "get the hell out!" defensive sting, and one used to subdue prey. Lq can inject less than 0,3mg of venom per sting. while A.australis up to 2mg. | |
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Mr. Mordax Administrator
Number of posts : 7743 Age : 38 Location : PNW Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/27/2008, 12:16 pm | |
| Well, there we have it. If you only weigh two and a half pounds, you might stand a 50/50 chance of death.
Assuming a healthy immune system, etc. | |
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scorpion111 Post-whore
Number of posts : 3455 Age : 29 Location : scotland Registration date : 2008-04-07
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/27/2008, 1:24 pm | |
| i dont remember posting this thread...... | |
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*Connie* Post-whore
Number of posts : 3705 Age : 40 Location : England Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/27/2008, 1:50 pm | |
| it was made into a new thread because the envenom threads, like the breading ones are my forum rules to be kept clean without discussion afterwards, so any discussion you want from those forums to post in this forum with its own title
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Last edited by *Connie* on 4/27/2008, 2:47 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : typo) | |
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_Nagash_ Centruroides
Number of posts : 233 Age : 40 Location : Norway Registration date : 2008-04-17
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/27/2008, 1:52 pm | |
| There is also a theory about pre venom in different scrpions.Parabuthus transvaalicus is one that have it, maybe all scorpions. http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/100/3/922
Regards Robin | |
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scorpion111 Post-whore
Number of posts : 3455 Age : 29 Location : scotland Registration date : 2008-04-07
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/27/2008, 3:13 pm | |
| - *Connie* wrote:
- it was made into a new thread because the envenom threads, like the breading ones are my forum rules to be kept clean without discussion afterwards, so any discussion you want from those forums to post in this forum with its own title
xxxx ahh right, sorry i didnt know. | |
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*Connie* Post-whore
Number of posts : 3705 Age : 40 Location : England Registration date : 2008-02-06
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/27/2008, 4:15 pm | |
| its ok, you didnt know and you asked and when we are unsure we ask and get the answers. So no worries xxx | |
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~Abyss~ Administrator
Number of posts : 6472 Age : 35 Location : Los Angeles Cali. Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/28/2008, 3:47 am | |
| I'm about 250 give or take a few(probably give since I need to start working out again) and I now know I'm not allergic to the venom and I can safely say I'm not going to die from this sting. Now that I stated that, PLEASE DO NOT THINK YOU WOULD HAVE IT AS EASY AS I DID. I've been handling scorps since I was a little kid and some dangerous ones at that. I know different techniques to doing it and I know how do it without getting hurt. But this sting was because I underestimated a deathstalkers behavior and I was to focused on the one in my hand (the safest one since there was no way for it to sting me) and less focused on the ones in the tank. This was not a dry sting but I'm sure it wasn't a full injection one either. LQ was the worst sting I've had in terms of pain but my C. excilisculpt was the worst one in terms of time. It was very similar to an lq sting just slightly less intense but the effects stayed with me for weeks rather than just hours. My assumption would be... I got a VERY Small dose of venom with the LQ but it had every right to protect itself since I was practicly about to kill it with my hand. Where as the C. sculpt was still hanging on to me and I got a very LARGE dose of that venom. I think if I got the same dosage of venom with the LQ i probably would of been feeling the effects for a LONG time. | |
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Rasputin Parabuthus
Number of posts : 1051 Age : 41 Registration date : 2008-03-12
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/28/2008, 3:57 am | |
| so, I'm lost. I'm gone from saturday morning to sunday evening and apparently I missed out on when and where this thread came from. did you post it Eddy? when did you get stung? I'm just now getting real coffee since saturday morning so my headache is slowly going away right now. I need to hook this stuff up intravenously in order to keep up. | |
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~Abyss~ Administrator
Number of posts : 6472 Age : 35 Location : Los Angeles Cali. Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/28/2008, 3:58 am | |
| Check the envonmations reports...it happend a while ago. | |
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Rasputin Parabuthus
Number of posts : 1051 Age : 41 Registration date : 2008-03-12
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/28/2008, 3:59 am | |
| ok, I follow now. and this conversation about it started just saturday sometime? | |
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~Abyss~ Administrator
Number of posts : 6472 Age : 35 Location : Los Angeles Cali. Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/28/2008, 4:00 am | |
| I dont know...I just now came back. | |
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Rasputin Parabuthus
Number of posts : 1051 Age : 41 Registration date : 2008-03-12
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/28/2008, 4:02 am | |
| alrighty then. well, um, uh... ...um, blargh - yeah | |
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~Abyss~ Administrator
Number of posts : 6472 Age : 35 Location : Los Angeles Cali. Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: Deathstalker sting discussion 4/28/2008, 4:09 am | |
| Eh...i'm not to proud of this and have alot of people looking down at me for this to the point where Ive been tempted to erase all traces of this....but I rather keep it. You live and you learn. -eddy | |
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