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PostSubject: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/7/2011, 7:02 am

Hey guys,

I picked 2 of these up at a show a little while ago, and were told that they are a rare species of flat rock scorpions.

Can anyone give me a positive ID on this one for me please?





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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/7/2011, 7:27 am

Liocheles waigiensis?
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/7/2011, 11:19 am

i think h lao is right..i go with Liocheles waigiensis
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/7/2011, 11:38 am

I too was thinking Liocheles sp. or maybe Euscorpius sp. Either way nice scorp!

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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/7/2011, 1:44 pm

cool! is there any way you can be sure of a species?
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/7/2011, 8:04 pm

such a cute little telson lol
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/8/2011, 6:46 am

Your photographs match those o Liocheles waigensis in the Scorpion Files gallery... but since I have not had any experience with this species, I could not be more conclusive... that nonetheless is as close as it gets...

*Just thinking the chela are less granulated than those showed in most photos...
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/8/2011, 11:26 pm

LXDNG79 wrote:
Your photographs match those o Liocheles waigensis in the Scorpion Files gallery... but since I have not had any experience with this species, I could not be more conclusive... that nonetheless is as close as it gets...

*Just thinking the chela are less granulated than those showed in most photos...

I had this doubt as well, so I would also like to suggest Opisthacanthus madagascariensis

Here is a great link on our on forum showing the scorpions one of our members has: http://scorpionforum.darkbb.com/t4509-a-few-recent-additions-plus-others-pic-heavy

There are pics comparing both the Liocheles and the Opisthacanthus, which makes me believe you have an Opisthacantus because there is a clear difference between the two with regard to their chela.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/9/2011, 2:37 am

Not Opisthacanthus madascariensis the chelae are different here is a male I had
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/9/2011, 3:51 pm

umm.. im a right dummy when it comes to scorpion anatomy.. umm.. whats a telson, and chela? :S
also, ive had a look at pics of the Liocheles waigensis and Opisthacanthus madagascariensis
side by side, and mine looks a bit more like the Liocheles waigensis in respect of "arm" length (the bit that sits closest to the body??
duno if im right or not in saying that tho lol!!
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/9/2011, 3:53 pm

Telson - The stinger ball
Chela - the scorpion claw
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/9/2011, 3:58 pm

so chela is the actual claw? cool Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/9/2011, 6:45 pm

Scottland, how sure are you that yours is an Opisthacanthus madagascariensis?
Here is a male Opisthacanthus madagascariensis on the Scorpion Files: http://www.ntnu.no/ub/scorpion-files/o_madagascariensis%28m%29.jpg
The chela on your scorpion have the granulations that don't seem to be present in Opisthacanthus madagascariensis.

Sky_69, granulations are basically the bumps you find on the scorpion, such as one the claws.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/9/2011, 7:46 pm

pedipalps are claws too
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/10/2011, 12:42 am

H.laoticus that is a pic of a premature on SF and mine was old the granulation is he sme the pic lighting is different.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/10/2011, 1:33 am

Could it be Liocheles Waigiensis ? I find it quite similar to mine but am not sure thou.

*sry for the typo in my picture.




http://gsscorpions82.multiply.com/photos/album/6/Liocheles_Waigiensis#photo=1

Scott Land wrote:
Not Opisthacanthus madascariensis the chelae are different here is a male I had

Man! thats a neat looking scorp. It has the body of a flat rock with claws identical to an Emp!
Great picture taken Scott Land Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/10/2011, 3:30 am

Thanks GS ! I agree it is probably a Liocheles sp.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/10/2011, 3:34 am

I'm curious why you guys think it's Liocheles. Are there any features you can point to?
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/10/2011, 4:19 am

I compared the carapace and chelas:

Specimen to be ID'ed (Front view)


Liocheles Waigiensis (Front view)


Specimen to be ID'ed (Side view)


Liocheles Waigiensis (Side view)


Might not be L. Waigiensis exactly but could be Liocheles sp. I noticed there is a slight coloration difference of the legs (probably due to the poor lighting in my pic), i'll check out my L. Waigiensis tonight again Smile

sky_69 sis: Do you know whats your scorp's instar and its current length?



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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/10/2011, 4:23 am

If you look at the chela and the granulation patterns, you can see that the specimen to be ID'd lacks the patterns present in the L. weigensis. This makes me hesitate to label it as such. The pedipalp in general does not match either (the angles and patterning).
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/10/2011, 5:11 am

I just checked out the link you posted bro:

Opisthacanthus madagascariensis Male (Picture by LadyRiotControl)


After seeing this pic, i think it could be a closer match to Opisthacanthus madagascariensis Smile

Chela granulation = Match
Femur granulation = Match
Carapace pattern = Match
Mesosoma pattern = Match
Legs colorings = Match

5 Matches !!

If anyone got another opinion /suggested sp pse feel free to post.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/10/2011, 12:47 pm

cheers for all the replies on this one guys!!

GS, no idea what instar, and he/she is about 2.5-3 inches in length with his/her tail curled up as in my pics.
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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/10/2011, 9:10 pm

Good job, GS! I'm glad someone looked at the pic I posted lol. By the way, you have a male, sky_69


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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/11/2011, 3:55 am

I think you could be correct GS with Opisthacanthus madagascariensis. This may not be of much help finding the species but I'm thinking it's not L. waigiensis too now. Here's a pic of of my Liocheles waigiensis chelae and you can see the granulation that's not on Sky's scorp. I got told by Martin Goss this is definitely waigiensis and it does ring true because it's been burrowing rather than climbing like australasiae would do.


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PostSubject: Re: Can anyone ID this one for me?   2/11/2011, 4:03 am

Great pic of L. waigiensis for comparison, JamieLawrence!
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