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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/7/2010, 8:54 am

Also it says £210.00 plus vet fees doesn't say annual though

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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/7/2010, 9:12 am

Yeah thats you're best bet. I think because every council is different and surely different depending on what you want to keep, you've just got to find out direct from them. I'm also thinking that scorpions will be generalized and you'll need the same precautions wether you're keeping a C. vittatus or a LQ or Androctonus. sp. £210 isn't too bad if you don't have to have public liability and such or too many precautions. I can't see why you'd need a vet for a scorpion though, maybe just another precaution.

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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/7/2010, 1:16 pm

I have to agree with advocating the LEGAL options, especially as this is an open forum, and I'd rather not have members suggesting or endorsing illegal behavior! Rene, you're treading on thin ice here. Explicitly telling a member to get DWA-controlled animals WITHOUT telling that member to actually get the permit in the first place will not be looked upon well by the people who deal with these things, regardless of whether or not you intended for her to get the permit first.

The authorities DO watch these forums, as people stateside have had government officials show up on their doorstep to claim illegal insects they were keeping and posted about publicly. Even I have been interrogated by APHIS when I posted pictures of some leaf insects I was rearing (they were being raised for and at a facility with the proper paperwork, but I didn't explicitly state that in my post and they inferred I was keeping them myself).

The last person to openly post about keeping a DWA-restricted scorpion was free-handling an Androctonus australis and his exact words were "balls of steel or what?" Idiots like him only make the authorities more convinced that we shouldn't be keeping these animals in the first place.

Further suggesting of potentially illegal behavior, either explicit or implicit, will get this thread closed. As noted in my personal example, if you don't explicitly state what you're doing or suggesting, the government official watching this will assume you're breaking the rules. I'm not trying to be a jerk or single people out; I just don't want any of our community members to get screwed over for making a mistake on here.

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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/7/2010, 1:38 pm

I wouldn't get them illegally and would really have to think about getting them anyway with 2 very young children age 2 and 5 I think I should be extremly careful, so if at all, the license route would deffo be the one I will take maybe once the kids are older will be the best idea,

I wasn't posting to buy/find illegal specie I just wanted to Know if there was any bark scorpions not on the list but it looks like there isn't so I will have to look for something else, so to get back on topic anyone got any recommendations, would like something that climbs, is out a lot and quite feisty, and/or a good communal specie,

Or just what we should get next?? Been looking at the c.Keyselringi are these communal?

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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/7/2010, 2:30 pm

AH, (words I can't write in here, but it starts with the letters [edit])!!! I never suggested or incouraged people to do anything illegal and actually I made a post that said: "I'm not suggesting anything illegal Mr. Mordax" but thought it might provoke you so deleted it (my mistake)!

I must admit I'm sick and tired of you Mr. Mordax, all about "breaking balls" (NOT the ones between the legs, but let's say some other balls that isn't seen as explicit talk) and it's really not incouraging to the free and educating debate that COULD go on in these forums about foreksample this subject!

I really think you should reconsider how you go about your buisness in here so you don't scare off the last 5 active users (who is by-the-way, some of the nicest guys and girl I met online)!

Anyway I'm not gonna say anything on the whole DWA subject again, seen as my freedom of speech is controlled by some kid on a power trip! Feel free to give me another warning Mr. Mordax if you feel offended by this...

ANYWAY! If you believe the government is watching these forums to nail people who have illegal animals then the police in your country have a lot more resources then they have in my country...

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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/7/2010, 3:08 pm

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AH, (words I can't write in here, but it starts with the letters F F S)!!! I never suggested or incouraged people to do anything illegal and actually I made a post that said: "I'm not suggesting anything illegal Mr. Mordax" but thought it might provoke you so deleted it (my mistake)!

I must admit I'm sick and tired of you Mr. Mordax, all about "breaking balls" (NOT the ones between the legs, but let's say some other balls that isn't seen as explicit talk) and it's really not incouraging to the free and educating debate that COULD go on in these forums about foreksample this subject!

I really think you should reconsider how you go about your buisness in here so you don't scare off the last 5 active users (who is by-the-way, some of the nicest guys and girl I met online)!

Anyway I'm not gonna say anything on the whole DWA subject again, seen as my freedom of speech is controlled by some kid on a power trip! Feel free to give me another warning Mr. Mordax if you feel offended by this...

ANYWAY! If you believe the government is watching these forums to nail people who have illegal animals then the police in your country have a lot more resources then they have in my country...

And don't forget the tinfoil-hat so the "man" can't read your thoughts...



im with you on this one Rene.

and bex yeah c.keyserlingi can be communal but keep them well feed lol ive only got 1 c.keyserlingi but i believe rene has a couple. there nice little scorps, and they pack a punch aswell, got tagged the 2nd day i got him.
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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/7/2010, 4:01 pm

Thanks Manser! I know for a fact you're not the only one!

As far as my Caraboctonus Keyserlingi goes, my highly gravid female just killed off my male a couple of days ago! She didn't eat him or anything, but I think she did it to defend the soon to be born scorplings! So they are communal up to a point I guess!
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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/7/2010, 4:29 pm

I do agree with rene also I'm afraid, obviously there needs to be rules though so I guess if we want to use the forum we have to stick to them, I don't know why we can't discuss weather something is legal or not, I'd understand if say someone was tryig to sell or buy illegally via the forum but that's completely different.

But yeah back to the topic I started with lol, gonna try these communally then I think unless I get Told otherwise, obviously separate gravid females as that's the thing to do with all scorps as they get nasty towards the end, any other recommendations?

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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/7/2010, 4:57 pm

Thanks Bex! True that there must be rules to protect the other users from being offended, but I don't believe that is the case here!

Caraboctonus Keyserlingi is really full time burrowers and doesn't live like bark scorpions in anyway...
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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/7/2010, 5:05 pm

Hmmmm dunno what to get lol

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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/7/2010, 5:48 pm

get one bex, you know u want to. convince your fiance to get ya one lol
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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/7/2010, 5:53 pm

If it's still caraboctonus keyserlingi we are talking about, I can ship you some for free (only pay shipment) if all of my scoplings survives!
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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/7/2010, 9:57 pm

I don't get what the misunderstanding is? Telling someone to get scorps that are illegal to keep is asking for unwanted attention. There's no reason to get upset over someone asking you to stop talking about it. Mr. Mordax is not wrong in his reasoning, encouraging illegal activities shouldn't really be happening. At least not on this public forum. You could easily do it in PM if you truly feel the need to suggest some Buthids for someone living in England.
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PostSubject: Re: Bark Scorpion - non buthidae family?   12/8/2010, 8:00 am

René, René, René . . . so quick to get defensive! Even after I mentioned that I wasn't singling anyone out, and I just didn't want any of our members to get visits from government officials (which DOES happen . . . did you read my whole post?), you automatically assumed I was targeting you.

(Ok, yes, I did say you were treading on thin ice . . . I meant that in the respect that, to an outsider, your posts may have looked like you were encouraging something illegal. I apologize for the lack of clarification.)

René wrote:
AH, (words I can't write in here, but it starts with the letters [edit])!!! I never suggested or incouraged people to do anything illegal

Oh really?

René wrote:
So conclusion is that the only way to get bark scorpions is to get bark scorpions . . . So Bex: DO IT! bounce

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I really wouldn't advise trying to import DWA animals into the UK without a DWA.

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I disagree Wink

That sure sounds like you were encouraging illegal behavior, if not suggesting it.

As far as telling me how to run this forum, users come and go. If people don't like how the forum is managed, they're free to move on. And you should all know by this point that I'm willing to compromise -- I certainly think we reached a happy agreement on the signature limits that were called into question recently.

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Anyway I'm not gonna say anything on the whole DWA subject again, seen as my freedom of speech is controlled by some kid on a power trip!

"Some kid"? If you'll take a quick glance at my profile, you'll see that I'm older than you. You're just as much of a "kid" as I am. And as far as freedom of speech goes, this forum isn't a democracy. We have rules regarding what you can and cannot post that you agreed to when you signed up, including:

What you agree to when registering wrote:
- Aggressive or slanderous messages, as well as personal insults and critics, the coarseness and vulgarities, and more generally any message contravening the French laws are prohibited.
- Messages who promote - or evoke - illegal practices are prohibited.

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Feel free to give me another warning Mr. Mordax if you feel offended by this.

Actually, I'm willing to overlook the handful of rule violations in your post (including the one about not publicly attacking or insulting other members) and put this all behind us. I'll even post a clarification in the forum rules about discussing illegal behavior so hopefully we won't have this sort of issue again. All I ask from you, and all members, is that you follow our rules and honor the staff's decisions regarding this forum.

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ANYWAY! If you believe the government is watching these forums to nail people who have illegal animals then the police in your country have a lot more resources then they have in my country...

I hate to repeat myself, but re-read my last post. They DO watch, and I HAVE been questioned by them. APHIS is the Animal and PLant Health Inspection Service, part of the United States Department of Agriculture. There are officials whose job is to monitor online activity and investigate where they think that individuals are buying, selling, or keeping restricted species.

The purpose of my last post was NOT to single out or attack any member, but to point out that the way posts had been worded, someone from whatever department enforces the Dangerous and Wild Animals Act might see the thread as people seriously considering pursuing restricted species without going through the proper channels. I would hate to see any of our members nailed over a misunderstanding.

Canth, I'm glad to see you understand what I'm talking about.

Bex, I'm sorry this happened to your thread. I don't recommend that you get a bark scorpion unless you go through all the DWA hullabaloo (which I agree is a poorly thought-out law; there's a poll somewhere on here I posted a while back), as all genera of bark scorpions to the best of my knowledge are Buthids.

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