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PostSubject: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 3:32 pm

Hi all we have some scorpio maurus coming soon and just wondered if they need a water bowl at all? im guessing not but would like clarification if poss...thank you Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 3:40 pm

I think all animals, including any scorpion, should have access to a waterdish! It wouldn't harm it anyway Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 3:49 pm

I have a buddy with one of these, gorgeous creatures to watch, and he does supply it with a water dish. He's using a tiny "medicine" size tupperware tub (about 2" wide).

Other than that, I am jealous of your incoming addition!
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 3:53 pm

I've not put one on with our desert hairy as I was advised not to should I? I was told that most desert species are adapted so that they get all the fluids they need from their food is this wrong??

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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 4:05 pm

If I might add, I used to own two of these a couple of years ago and I did supply them with water dish... And they are NOT communal! Put them in the same enclosure to a start and they headed straight for eachother, claws snapping and tails jabbing Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 4:07 pm

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I've not put one on with our desert hairy as I was advised not to should I? I was told that most desert species are adapted so that they get all the fluids they need from their food is this wrong??

Why did they advice not to? Even though they might not use it, it would never harm it... I use a small dish, approximately 1x1 inches, just so it has the option!
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 4:16 pm

Think it was something to do with humidity maybe I dunno well yeah a tiny dish won't hurt I will get one... Also just to clarify Scorpio mauris are not communal??? We have been sold 3 as a communal species aaaaaah!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 4:20 pm

They are NOT!!! The most hostile specie I have ever kept, no doubt! They wont last one night together, so don't do it!

And ofcorse the humidity must be right, but a small waterdish, wont do a difference!
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 4:43 pm

Love Yr avatar pic btw

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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 4:44 pm

Seriously everyone I've asked and everywhere I've looked says they are communal I'm really worried now as got 3 coming gonna have to get 3 tanks now lol

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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 5:01 pm

Hm, that's odd? mine wasn't! Just checked up on an article in an issue of "exotic insects", and they allso states that it isn't advisable!

Btw, the article also says they are illegal to keep in britain aswell unless you got that permit (don't remember what it's called now)?

But who cares Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 5:10 pm

Are you sure we are talking about the same species?? Scorpio maurus/ Israeli gold scorpion!?!?!
The only species illegal I'm the uk is all the buthidae species and hemioscorpiidae- hemiscorpius lepturus

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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 5:13 pm

Yes, scorpio maurus (palmatus)! It says that because of some book by a guy named "keegan" thay were mixed up with buthus Occitanus and winded up on that illegal list in britain (which was obviousely a mistake bacause they are not really venoumus)... I'm just quoting right now Chin Scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 5:17 pm

Well I just checked and they come under the Scorpionidae species and deffo legal in uk but wether they are communal or not is another matter, as you have kept them you know they are not, was they siblings or was they bought individually?

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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 5:22 pm

Okay, found another number of the magazine (no. 48 if any danish member wanna check) where scorpio maurus is also mentioned, it says:

Scorpio maurus is on the "Dangerous Animal Act" list in britain. The reason for this is that it has been refered to as "a scorpion of medical importance" in Hugh Keegans book "Scorpions of Medical Importance" (1980) which britain has based their DAA law on. The article that Hugh Keegan bases his knowledge upon is about both Scorpion Maurus and Buthus Occitanus and he has somehow gotten the facts of the two VERY DIFFERENT scorpions mixed, as some of the "facts" about Scorpio Maurus in his book actually is fitting for Buthus Occitanus.

This a (near) direct quote from danish to english..
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 5:25 pm

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Well I just checked and they come under the Scorpionidae species and deffo legal in uk but wether they are communal or not is another matter, as you have kept them you know they are not, was they siblings or was they bought individually?

Maybe it's been changed since the magazine came out (february 2005) or the info is simply wrong (which I doubt very much as the article is written by Jan Ove Rein, who is a well known scientist of scorpions from Norway).

It could also be that they are from Scorpionidae (I know they are, but do the government?) but still is listet on the DAA by a mistake? I think you should get a copy of the animals listet there and check, if you really care...

Mine was adults, and was bought at the same place but they were seperated at the animal store...
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 5:28 pm

Oh i think the ones we are getting are already being kept communally and are adults apparently but as a rule I never trust the shop owner as they just want to make money so I really value your input just a shame we already payed for them lol

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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/25/2010, 6:53 pm

as far as water dishes go to me it depends not all tank can have water.. I have raised some lizards that if you put water in the tank they would drink it and their tails would fall off.... thus being harmful to the animal... I have read in several places where desert scorpions get the water they need from their food. but to each their own....
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/26/2010, 12:55 am

it is true alot of desert species ger water from theyre food
a good number of desert species can get something like mycosis and other problems
from too much moisture or humidity ext bla bla but others are not so sensitive to moisture
so its ok for some but for scorpio maurus it should be ok if it is a small amount i think
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/26/2010, 3:51 am

I have Scorpio maurus in the UK, definatly not on the DWA. I'd expect they wouldn't do well communal, my one is quite aggressive. Hes made a maze of tunnels in his tank, they burrow like mental, like Haddys.

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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/26/2010, 10:29 am

Scorpio maurus can take drinks from the water bowl, but I found that giving them moisture via a tube into the substrate to be more effective.... the bottom substrate must always be moist but the top must be dry...

In smaller enclosures for smaller individuals... I found a water dripper to be more effective... I would squirt the water gently at the entrance of the burrow or... let the water seep into the substrate right above where ever the scorpion is underground if they do burrow up to the glass and you can see where they are... they will put their mouthparts to the roof of the burrow to drink the water as it seeps down....
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/26/2010, 10:33 am

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the bottom substrate must always be moist but the top must be dry...

Really? Hm, you sure of this?
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/26/2010, 10:43 am

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LXDNG79 wrote:
the bottom substrate must always be moist but the top must be dry...

Really? Hm, you sure of this?

This info was taken from an SOTM article at the Venomlist, written by my dear friend Jeroen Koojiman... we has had success in keeping Scorpio maurus... but the real question is... whether you have Scorpio maurus... I thought I had Scorpio maurus but they turned out to be Opistophthalmus ecristatus... sometimes petshops just put a name on them to sell them fancy...
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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/26/2010, 10:45 am

Hey Alex, have you heard of anyone keeping them communally successfully as we have been sold 3 as communal however have been advised against it by many people?

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PostSubject: Re: Water bowl for scorpio maurus?   11/26/2010, 3:59 pm

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Hey Alex, have you heard of anyone keeping them communally successfully as we have been sold 3 as communal however have been advised against it by many people?

Actually the word on Scorpio maurus is that they are not supposed to be communal... if yours get along with each other pretty decently then there is a chance it might not be Scorpio maurus at all...

You should post pics so we can accurately ID them... you will need close up details of the prosoma (or carapace), a side profile of the chela, and a close-up of the telson... or sting... include as well a picture of the entire scorpion for clear reference...
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