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PostSubject: emperor or asian forest?   11/5/2010, 7:24 pm

is it emp or afs?
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/6/2010, 12:36 am

100% AFS

Here's two pics for comparison:
AFS:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Asian_forest_scorpion_in_Khao_Yai_National_Park.JPG

Emp:
http://aqualandpetsplus.com/Bug,%20S5.jpg

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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/6/2010, 2:47 am

I would go with a Heterometrus of some sort, doesn't look like an Emp to me. Emps usually have bumpy and bulbous chelea (claws) if I'm not mistaken.
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/6/2010, 7:53 am

I agree with iitomodachi1. The lack of granulation and shape of the chelea as well as the black telson point toward Heterometrus as apposed to an Emp.
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/6/2010, 2:05 pm

surely a heterometrus as the others said
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/6/2010, 2:43 pm

Kristopher wrote:
I agree with iitomodachi1. The lack of granulation and shape of the chelea as well as the black telson point toward Heterometrus as apposed to an Emp.

Yes, this is an AFS, but gotta be careful though, because there are Heterometrus sp. with granulation on the chela. The black telson gives it away, but some Heterometrus do have colored telsons.
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/6/2010, 3:13 pm

Like all the friendly peeps here have said, its not an emperor. Once i had a seller who sold 2 AFS to me when i have ordered Emperors.
I had to show him this picture in order to convince him..
Anyway.. Hope it helps Smile



However i must add that you do have a neat looking AFS there!


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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/6/2010, 3:18 pm

GS wrote:
Like all the friendly peeps here have said, its not an emperor. Once i had a seller who sold 2 AFS to me when i have ordered Emperors.
I had to show him this picture in order to convince him.. Hope it helps.



However i must add that you do have a neat looking AFS there!

Nice, did you make this picture?
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/6/2010, 3:32 pm

Thanks mate. Yeah.. just a simple image of comparison i made of the pictures from the net. Sry for not using the correct terms such as chela or granulation.. as i doubt the dude who sold me the scorps know what they meant.. -.-


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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/6/2010, 3:49 pm

im going to guess H. spinifer too... mine had the black telson (though im sure they are not the only species that does).
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/6/2010, 9:30 pm

ahh... thank you for your help.
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/7/2010, 12:56 pm

also... is it a juvinile or a sub adult.... its only about 2 or 3 inches long...
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/7/2010, 2:02 pm

it says emperor scorpion and african forest scorpion haha what ?????


it does make a clear point with the pics;)
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/7/2010, 2:32 pm

telow you confuse me.

EDIT: oh wait never mind
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/7/2010, 2:36 pm

hahaha i confuse me sometimes too hahahaha realy hahaa
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   11/7/2010, 5:35 pm

I was wondering about that, I had been calling Asian Forest Scorpions AFS's. I'd assume that the Emperor was an 'African' forest scorpion. Although there is the H. Swammerdami which is an Indian scorp. I also notice a lot of confuse for AFS's being both H. laoticus and H. Spinifer. Bang Head
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   12/15/2010, 7:55 pm

alright just want to comfirm. they are h. spinifer right?
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   12/20/2010, 6:02 am

They could be other Heterometrus species like petersii. It's really a pain ID'ing these guys!
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   12/20/2010, 6:19 am

i thought petersii when i first saw it just for the fact its completely black with no colouring between the exoskeleton
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   12/23/2010, 11:39 am

the size and shape of the telson... along with the enlarged tooth of the tarsus (movable finger) on the chela; makes me lean towards Heterometrus petersii (male). Only males have that enlarged tooth.

H. petersii is frequently mistaken for H. spinifer since their ranges sometimes overlap slightly. I think this is the 3rd or 4th time I've had to pick out a H. petersii from H. spinifer. Others may suggest Heterometrus laoticus But between H. petersii and H. laoticus... I'm still uncertain since I've never really seen enough specimens of H. laoticus.

I hope that helps cheers and best regards
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   12/23/2010, 11:42 am

ah. intersting... not spinifers like i thought. i will probaly look online... thanks for all your help.
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   12/23/2010, 1:02 pm

H. laoticus is the only Heterometrus sp. without any granulation on its carapace. It's kind of hard for me to see from that picture, but as Alex pointed out, it's probably not H. spinifer.

There was a PDF floating around the internet somewhere that had a great guide to IDing Heterometrus spp. and even had diagrams of where granulation was on the carapace of each species.

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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   12/23/2010, 1:04 pm

oh wow... that would be like gold right now
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   12/23/2010, 8:11 pm

Here you go:

http://www.science.marshall.edu/fet/euscorpius/p2004_15.pdf

Here's a link to a thread on ID'ing Het. species on another forum:

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=82335

Good luck!
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PostSubject: Re: emperor or asian forest?   12/23/2010, 8:35 pm

thanks a lot! that stuff was great. by looking at that id have to say petersii because of the claw tooth and the slight granulation on the head. do you guys concure?
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