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PostSubject: I need your guys opinion.   6/12/2010, 2:01 am

I found this on a forest island (forest surrounded by desert) here in southern Arizona. about 40 minutes from Tucson. the elevation was around 5500.

this is the specimen i found.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/4593623971_6ac862ec0d_b.jpg

i have narrowed it down to two species.

http://www.azscorpion.com/U_huac.html
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http://www.azscorpion.com/P_apache.html

people have told me its more likely the second, because of the elevation factor, but i think it looks more like the first, what do y'all think????


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PostSubject: Re: I need your guys opinion.   6/12/2010, 2:05 pm

Im almost 90% sure that that is a Hadogenes Paucidenes (female) but its very likely that it is a young specimen since they age so slowly.
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PostSubject: Re: I need your guys opinion.   6/12/2010, 2:35 pm

anemiaffx wrote:
Im almost 90% sure that that is a Hadogenes Paucidenes (female) but its very likely that it is a young specimen since they age so slowly.

I am 1000000% sure that its not hadogenes paucidenes, you have to read what i posted. Hadogenes spp. are from africa.
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PostSubject: Re: I need your guys opinion.   6/12/2010, 2:43 pm

yeah well look at the scorpion....has all the traits as a flat rock...
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PostSubject: Re: I need your guys opinion.   6/12/2010, 5:32 pm

not the first as that doesnt have anything like the same claws - at the first glance i immediately thought h.paucidens too but had to look again as the tail is certainly much fatter than a pauciden but as said it has all the traits of a flat rock - is there any chance you could get some better pics - from a side - from above - better view of claws

i think the pic of the actual specimen isnt that good for an ID
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PostSubject: Re: I need your guys opinion.   6/12/2010, 7:17 pm

Its not H.Paucidens or any other hadogenes sp.

I think it looks more like Uroctonites huachuca, only the colouring on the mesasoma and metasoma isn't anywhere near the same.
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PostSubject: Re: I need your guys opinion.   6/12/2010, 7:23 pm

Just had a look on scorpion files and found a sp that is a little darker than yours but looks identical in every other way including the size of the telson, yellow legs, size of metasoma and the stripes on the tergites.

Uroctonites Guilianii - http://www.ntnu.no/ub/scorpion-files/u_guilianii.jpg

However, saying that, it also looks similar to Pseudouroctonus Williamsi - http://www.ntnu.no/ub/scorpion-files/p_williamsi.jpg
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PostSubject: Re: I need your guys opinion.   6/12/2010, 9:56 pm

grrr fine then i accept defeat....It looks like what binksy is calling U. Guilianii
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PostSubject: Re: I need your guys opinion.   6/12/2010, 11:33 pm

anemiaffx wrote:
grrr fine then i accept defeat....It looks like what binksy is calling U. Guilianii

i agree it does look similar to that sp. no one was defeated, you gave your opinion.

I will comeback to this thread with pics of different angles.
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