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PostSubject: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/12/2010, 8:04 pm


a got it 2day an the guy told me it was a black clawed 1 but a cnt find any info on it on the net
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/13/2010, 2:08 am

looks like a Heterometrus sp.
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/13/2010, 1:13 pm

Looks to me like Heterometrus Petersii scratch
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/13/2010, 9:28 pm

Definitely Heterometrus, but you can't tell much more from these pictures. Need a clear shot of the carapace granulation.

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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/14/2010, 8:21 am

i think iv id it.. Pandinus Africanus (Really Pandinus Imperator) cheers 4 the help
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/14/2010, 9:55 am

Wrong on two counts.

As all the experienced folks on here have already said, it's genus Heterometrus. Pandinus imperator does not have the smooth chela or black telson that yours has.

And, Pandinus africanus is not a legit species, but it usually refers to Pandinus cavimanus.

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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/14/2010, 2:25 pm

heres 1 of its tail if tht helps.... a got that name Pandinus Imperator from the shop a got it from
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/14/2010, 4:32 pm

Shop keepers don'tknow what they're doing. They just want you to buy from them so they will tell you false info to make them sound more knowledgable and therefore more trusting.
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/14/2010, 4:35 pm

Can you get a close up shot of the carapace? (head)
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/14/2010, 4:48 pm

definitely not from any pandinus family ive ever seen...and pandinus is my favorite species at the moment...

its either H. petersii, H. longimanus, or H. laoticus....either way you look at it, its a Heterometrus all the way through...

and yes, pet store owners are idiots...
come here and do your own research before you ever trust a pet shop owner (unless its straight from the breeder)....
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/15/2010, 11:42 am

[b] heres 2 of it head
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/15/2010, 6:54 pm

It still look like another H. petersii, even if the carapace is devoid of granulations. H. laoticus should have a distictly stocky build with a carapace smoothly shaped like a gladiator's helm...

Nonetheless, a clearer pic with minimal reflections to portray the granulations would settle this ambuiquity... a pic depicting it effectively would be something like this: -


Heterometrus petersii

or

Heterometrus spinifer
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/15/2010, 8:35 pm

the camera aint 2 gd but it looks exactly lyk tht Heterometrus petersii pic u posted
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/15/2010, 9:13 pm

thought so... the patela (visible pedipalp segment) is anothter ID Key for Heterometrus...

For future Heterometrus species identification, pls include close-up shots of the prosoma, chela, patella and telson, as these are the primary ID keys for the genus.

For more on Heterometrus species identification keys, download Frantisek Korvarik's 2004 revison of the genus Heterometrus available from his site. http://kovarex.com/scorpio/

Cheers and best regards...

Recently this species seems to be turning up quite frequently and sold under more glamorous names that doesn't justify it as a no less remarkable species.
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/16/2010, 12:17 pm

cheers 4 evr1s help
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/16/2010, 1:55 pm

Hi Shawn,

I think I was right in thinking you acquired him from Strictly Exotics, I did too, and have gone through the EXACT same process. If you would like some input on identification. Have a look at the following of my threads;

http://scorpionforum.darkbb.com/sexing-different-scorpion-species-f14/pandinus-africanus-really-pandinus-imperator-t4809.htm

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=179587

http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/spiders-inverts/508097-scorpion-expert-advice.html

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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/17/2010, 12:34 pm

hi scott mine has been id as Heterometrus petersii but lookin at ur pics it looks exactly lyk urs is there much diff between the 2.... aye a got it from strictly in kirk...
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/17/2010, 2:19 pm

shawn1984 wrote:
hi scott mine has been id as Heterometrus petersii but lookin at ur pics it looks exactly lyk urs is there much diff between the 2.... aye a got it from strictly in kirk...

Personally, I've been on four different forums and everybody is saying something different. The most popurlar ID's have been laoticus and petersii, However I'm going to label them as petersii, as the bloke who ID'd them knows his stuff. But hey, who knows!

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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/17/2010, 4:02 pm

am gna do the same thn lol cheers
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PostSubject: Re: can sum1 id this 4 me cheers   5/17/2010, 6:07 pm

I've spent a bit of time IDing one of my own scorpions and I believe yours is a petersii.
If you can see ANY form of granulations (bumps) on the carapace, it's not H. laoticus.
Having said this, I can clearly see that granulation is present.
I don't know why members on Arachnoboards are saying it's H. laoticus.
I'm sure quite a few of the members just took a guess and don't even own a forest scorpion sp. themselves.
I would weigh LXDNG79's ID more heavily as he has extensive experience with forest scorpions.
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