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PostSubject: Emperor scorpion died   2/28/2010, 8:07 pm

Hello everyone,

I'm new to this forum and my name is Roy. I have been reading up on scorpion husbandry on this site for a month or two, and have decided to join the party!!

You guys have some really great info here and I have learnt so much, and I'm delighted to see so many fellow Malaysians here!! Never knew that there were so many scorpion enthusiasts back home, I am currently studying in Southern California but when I go back for the summer we have to meet up!

My emperor scorpion Rosemary recently passed away and I have been very puzzled as to why, I have included some pics below and am hoping that they will be uploaded. Should the uploads be successful, I would definitely welcome feedback/criticisms about how I have maintained my enclosure, what could be the reasons for Rose's death etc. I got her last September, so she only lasted approximately 5 months under my care. I was disheartened about her death to say the least, Emps are well-known for their hardiness and I couldn't even sustain her longer than half a year??!! My confidence levels certainly took a deep plunge downhill. From her bloated appearance I would think she had molting problems, any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Looking forward to getting to know you guys!
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   2/28/2010, 8:14 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/1/2010, 2:30 am

Well, it wouldn't have been old age as she was a sub-adult.

She looked very dry. What substrate are you using besides the moss?

You should use coco fibre.
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/1/2010, 3:05 am

Oh the post postmortem pic was taken several days after her death so she was kinda allowed to dry out for a few days before the shots. I made sure to pour water into her cage every single day, a full cup at that so the bottom of her enclosure was soaking wet.

As for substrate I used sphagnum moss. I think that was not entirely suitable so now I use a 70:30 soil: Sphagnum moss mix.

Some details: The height of the tank was 12 inches, could it be t5oo short a distance from the heat lamp?

Tank humidity supposedly was 42% (taken with my friend's anemometer), but I made sure the bottom of the enclosure was soaking wet. (I've read many a time here that there is no point getting hygrometers, just make sure the tank bottom is wet and substrate is moist)

Temperature was 25 degrees Celsius on the unlit end and 30 Celsius on the lit end.

Sigh Rosemary..........she was turning out to be such a fine specimen, nasty little attitude she had.
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/1/2010, 3:45 am

It should have been damp, not soaking. She should have been able to burrow ie soil substrate.

The only suitable heat lamp is an infra red one as they cannot see red light and they are negatively phototactic.
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/1/2010, 2:36 pm

well i use a heat lamp and its not the infra red one.. i use the regular 50W heat lamp and i also use a 50W night glo lamp... is this ok? i am thinking of switching to red light too but either way the heat lamp i use makes the tank temperature go up to 75-80F. and i was having trouble with the humidity in the beginning cause i was stupid and put the humidity meter under the heat lamp and i guess that somewhat had an effect to it because once i moved the humidity meter to the other side of the tank where the heat lamp isnt at.. it raised to 80%.
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/1/2010, 4:41 pm

Well I chose to not use a lamp, because these are forest floor animals and would most likely never see light in their natural habitat. You could have had deeper strate and bigger hides. though I dont think that is what caused its demise. How often did you or other people handle it? They dont really like to be looked at or touched. It causes stress which will kill them.
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I use a heat-mat on the side of my tank with about 6" of substrate over a false bottom. This way I only have to add water every few days and my substrate stays moist but not soaking. A brick of coco fiber is about $3.00us. It will be just enough for a 10gal tank, and will last you 6 months. For the bottom just use any kind of gravel. If it is larger pieces about 1/4-1/2" just place a piece if screen over it to keep your strate from falling through and clogging up your false bottom The heat mat cost about $30.00 but you can find better prices on eBay.

P.S. Sorry about your pet man
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/1/2010, 5:24 pm

lol how does the scorpion know if its being looked at?
i thought they only had a range of like 8 inches infront of them?
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/1/2010, 5:37 pm

They run back into their hides if my kid has her face pasted to the glass.
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/1/2010, 5:41 pm

wow mine arent that skittish...my 2 yr old brother does the same thing and they just continue with whatever they were doing (usually trying to crawl up the glass)
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/1/2010, 6:13 pm

Hey guys,

Thanks for all the input so far.

I don't think handling could be the cause of her death, as I have never handled her until after her death
(very sad actually). I don't want to stress them (or myself too) out, plus I look at the aceleus and I go like no that ain't piercing no body part of mine.

I'm definitely providing my new scorps with more substrate to burrow into and I'm using 70:30 potting soil and sphagnum moss mix. I think I will get some coco fiber this weekend.

I am liking the heat pad suggestion but I'm currently housing my scorpions in those huge plastic Sterilite containers, do you know if a heat pad would work with those?
The plastic would not melt under the heat, but I don't know about heat conduction through plastic, essentially would the scorpions be able to feel the extra warmth coming through the Sterilite container?

There are many cheap Emps for sale on kingsnake.com but shipping is so horribly expensive, and tarantulainc.com has run out of Emps, sheeesh.........
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/1/2010, 7:52 pm

It should be fine. I saw a store on ebay that sells heatpads for like 10.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/ZooMed-Heat-Mats_W0QQitemZ170450196854QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27af9f9976

The offer is ending soon

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Not my sale. just tryin to help a guy out
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/2/2010, 3:32 am

the lycan mikey wrote:
lol how does the scorpion know if its being looked at?
i thought they only had a range of like 8 inches infront of them?

Vibrations and sudden movement.
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/2/2010, 11:59 am

binksyboy3 wrote:
the lycan mikey wrote:
lol how does the scorpion know if its being looked at?
i thought they only had a range of like 8 inches infront of them?

Vibrations and sudden movement.

Yeah vibrations seem to be what really bothers them
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/2/2010, 1:52 pm

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binksyboy3 wrote:
the lycan mikey wrote:
lol how does the scorpion know if its being looked at?
i thought they only had a range of like 8 inches infront of them?

Vibrations and sudden movement.

Yeah vibrations seem to be what really bothers them

well there must be something wrong with mine...
i can open the tank and move my hand around in the tank and the 1st doesnt seem to notice,
if i do it with my second scorp, he'll take off running back to his cave
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/2/2010, 4:40 pm

Another factor to consider is the younger the scorp, generally the more skittish they are.
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/2/2010, 5:37 pm

well the 2nd is bigger than my first which leads me to believe he might be older...
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/3/2010, 2:40 am

Ah well, vibrations then i guess. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/3/2010, 2:59 am

lol yeah he freaks when i open the tank to drop crickets in
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/3/2010, 11:53 am

Yeah not so much in my large one but my younger one is in panic mode every time you get close. or if you talk loud.
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/3/2010, 12:41 pm

Well my scorps are in a huge like 50 gal tank and they sit under neath my tv on a stand because my 32 HD is mounted on the wall. They sit on a little entertainment center and my xboc is inside the entertainment center. so whenever i play, it gets it nice and hot in there and heats the bottom of the tank. My older scorp doesnt really run unless i touch him but the newer male i have doesnt like anything pointed at him. No flashlight or any vibrations.
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/3/2010, 12:56 pm

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Well my scorps are in a huge like 50 gal tank and they sit under neath my tv on a stand because my 32 HD is mounted on the wall. They sit on a little entertainment center and my xboc is inside the entertainment center. so whenever i play, it gets it nice and hot in there and heats the bottom of the tank. My older scorp doesnt really run unless i touch him but the newer male i have doesnt like anything pointed at him. No flashlight or any vibrations.

Mine are the same except I dont have hd so it sits on top of my entertainment center.

Whats your GT? Mine is Tha Grey Warden, I play L4d and MW2 add me if you feel like
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/3/2010, 1:00 pm

I play MW2 but i got banned because of my bio... So i cant get online untill the 9th. Heres my bio:
"When you play games with me it is very possible that you will need an enema. Call the number 1-800-H2O-N-ASS for me to give you a free quote... lol ērn"
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/3/2010, 1:07 pm

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I play MW2 but i got banned because of my bio... So i cant get online untill the 9th. Heres my bio:
"When you play games with me it is very possible that you will need an enema. Call the number 1-800-H2O-N-ASS for me to give you a free quote... lol ērn"

i got banned for the same. my bio was most of the lyrics to ICP I stab people. The funniest thing ion the world
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PostSubject: Re: Emperor scorpion died   3/3/2010, 1:12 pm

Lol well lets not stray off topic. When i picked up my smaller one, i nearly dropped him because he was scared and was running all over the place. Almost got me stung cause he decided to run all the way around my hand.
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