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PostSubject: Can they be grouped?   1/26/2010, 1:28 am

I have a question. I have 2 scorpions. The younger one was grouped in a group of 2 others at a pet store. The older one i have has been all by himself for about a year or so. (Both of them are males). When i introduced the younger one to the older one, they locked pedipalps and began to sting eachother. I then broke up the fight and seperated the cage. Do you think there is a chance they could be grouped or not?
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   1/26/2010, 2:10 am

Are you sure they're both males? Sounds a little like a mating dance.

What sizes are they? If they're similar size they should be fine; just mix up the substrate and rearrange the decor and hides before introducing both to the tank at the same time.

If they still fight despite the above suggestion, and you're positive they're the same sex, just keep an eye on 'em. Most territorial scuffles fizzle out pretty quick.

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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   1/26/2010, 5:16 am

Well im pretty sure that the smallest one that i recently just purchased is a male. The pet store guy agreed too. But the one thats bigger and so forth i believe just by myself that its a male.
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   1/27/2010, 1:46 am

Until you've gotten a good look at the underside, there's no real way to tell the sex unless it's a sexually dimorphic species. You can rarely trust what the person at a pet store says.

Speaking of which, what species are you talking about?

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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/1/2010, 9:16 pm

They are emperors. And Ive taken a look at both of there bottoms myself and i too agree that they are both males.
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/1/2010, 11:57 pm

Then they should be fine together, though I imagine they've calmed down by now -- is this correct?

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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/2/2010, 1:01 am

ummm ive got them calm enough to i can stroke there tails without them flipping out. Also my newest addition is a bit smaller than my other one. My oldest is completly done growing. My other one is only about an inch shorter but a bit thinner.
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/2/2010, 1:19 am

That size discrepancy is OK to house together.

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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/2/2010, 1:23 am

ok well i just pulled the divider out of the cage. Typically my little one wanders around the cage but the big one tends to sit still. would you like me to post a picture of the habitat?
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/2/2010, 1:34 am

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My little one called "Gamma" is in the house to the left while my older one named "Z" (short for Zeta) is in the right one.

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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/2/2010, 2:06 am

are those sponges in your water dishes? If they are you should remove them as they harbor bacteria. Other than that, I'd say that's a good looking setup Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/2/2010, 2:08 am

i clean those sponges about ever 3 days or so w very hot water. they also provide a consistent amount of humidity since the water goes up them. its all good dude.
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/2/2010, 2:35 am

There won't be a high enough level of water left in those dishes if the scorp wants a drink will there?
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/2/2010, 2:38 am

yeah i keep the bowl full and the sponges wet. dont worry i keep my pets well taken care of. those 2 bulbs that you see in the pic are for day and night. i have a day bulb then at night i turn on my black light bulb which is good for night.
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/2/2010, 10:48 am

I'm gonna have to agree with the principle of sponge-removal. Even if you clean them routinely it's still easy for them to harbor ridiculous levels of bacteria, and emps don't have any problem with drinking from standing water (or bathing in it).

If you're using them for humidity, just dump water on the substrate.

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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/2/2010, 12:28 pm

Mr. Mordax wrote:
just dump water on the substrate.

I can certainly vouch for that. Very Happy Works like a charm
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/2/2010, 9:33 pm

Sponge should go. Why would you put something in your cage that is built to grow mold and bacteria? It's a disaster waiting to happen. Also, you can't kill bacteria with warm water, and many soaps either. Plus, some molds can go through a life cycle in less than 3 days. That means they are shedding spores before you wash them. None of this stuff would be a major emergency always, but it could be. Why risk it when they like water all by itself? If you need to raise the humidity, you should add water to the substrate. Not a sponge. Good luck!
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/3/2010, 4:36 pm

k ill remove the sponges... also im looking to replace one of my males with a female. Is there a way of keeping them from mating? or is it ineviditable when having them together?
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/3/2010, 7:09 pm

anemiaffx wrote:
k ill remove the sponges... also im looking to replace one of my males with a female. Is there a way of keeping them from mating? or is it ineviditable when having them together?

The only ethical way I know of, is having an immature with a sexually mature specimen. Of course, when the immature molts, it could go bye bye. (If you are unaware, this is the most dangerous time to be a scorpion. You are helpless!) *reread thread, you should be okay with emps, I had in my head another specie, oops!

There are obvious ways to chemically manipulate them. But none studied, and not a good idea on numerous, numerous levels. example: Most chemical "birth control" is going to have MAJOR side effects. None has been experimented on in scorpions that I've heard of, and heck, it would just be goofy when you can keep them in separate cages! You could still have your display case, but then spend $4 at walmart for plastic sterilite latching tote (5 gal?), and have your separate cages so one doesn't get eaten! Trust me, they will appreciate safety over a waterfront view!

Another option, since you are nifty with silicone, would be to split the cage. But remember, they can sometimes climb corners and they burrow, so add glass all the way top to bottom if you do this.

You know, the other option is to offer them up for free? I am sure as heck some people out here would take them off your hands. Especially if you just charge shipping. It would keep a dozen or so from having to be imported later. Just an idea. You can do what you want. Smile


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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/3/2010, 7:22 pm

Well i have that huge cage as you can see but it defeats the point in having a huge cage and spliting it. i want to have my scorpions together in a group and not alone. so rite now i have my big male up for sale on craigslist and on kijiji as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/3/2010, 7:39 pm

You know there's classifieds here right?, probably better but different base of keepers, but a good option. Good luck!


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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/3/2010, 7:39 pm

ummm i didnt know that. can u give me a link please?
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/3/2010, 7:44 pm

No, you need to learn how to do it yourself.

1. Scroll up to top of page menu in blue letters. Click on Forum.
2. Scroll down to almost the bottom. You will see the last "paragraph" of forum options, this is titled classifieds.
3. Click on for sale/trade.
4. Post a new topic.
5. Bask in the glory of a job well done.
6. ps. don't forget to state your location (country). Just do it. :p
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/3/2010, 7:49 pm

kk thanks i figured it out
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PostSubject: Re: Can they be grouped?   2/3/2010, 11:23 pm

anemiaffx wrote:
Is there a way of keeping them from mating? or is it ineviditable when having them together?

Just put them in different tanks.

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