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PostSubject: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   12/31/2009, 1:51 pm

guys help me,i can't identify my scorp,i dont know what species is these but i have 3 species that keeps playing in my mind,so guys help me out. i will post a image thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   12/31/2009, 1:55 pm

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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   12/31/2009, 1:57 pm

this shot with camera flash so the color of the scorp is different



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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   12/31/2009, 1:59 pm

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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   12/31/2009, 3:02 pm

heterometrus spinifer aka an asian forest, comes to mind, definitely not an emp

not 100% sure as i am fairly new to the hobby, but it looks like an asian forest
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   12/31/2009, 3:49 pm

I agree with gromgroms. It looks like an H. spinifer.
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   12/31/2009, 6:09 pm

locality? could be a large female longi.... closeup shots of the carapace granulations will narrow it down a fair bit as will the color of the telson (sting).
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   12/31/2009, 9:02 pm

Yeh a shot of the carapace and we can lock down on the specific heterometrus sp
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/1/2010, 12:13 am

binksyboy3 wrote:
Yeh a shot of the carapace and we can lock down on the specific heterometrus sp

ok i will post it just wait.. thanks! for me maybe its a heterometros laoticus?? not sure


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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/1/2010, 12:15 am

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locality? could be a large female longi.... closeup shots of the carapace granulations will narrow it down a fair bit as will the color of the telson (sting).

ok thanks.. i will post it.. locality? i dont know either but i'm living here in the philippines. i know one species here in the phil its the Liocheles waigiensis but they are not the same appearance.


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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/1/2010, 12:22 am

[quote="gromgroms"]heterometrus spinifer aka an asian forest, comes to mind, definitely not an emp

not 100% sure as i am fairly new to the hobby, but it looks like an asian forest[/quot

ok thanks. i think the heterometrus spinifer had a red telson(sting) mine also have that but not that bright because it's telson is covered of a little bit mud.
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/1/2010, 2:11 am

Below are the list of Heterometrus species found in Philipine

SCN Heterometrus cyaneus

SCN Heterometrus longimanus humilis

SCN Heterometrus longimanus marmoratus

SCN Heterometrus longimanus tarawakensis

SCN Heterometrus petersii luzonenis

SCN Heterometrus petersii midanaensis

Yours could be either one Wink
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/1/2010, 5:33 am

binksyboy3 wrote:
Yeh a shot of the carapace and we can lock down on the specific heterometrus sp



hey check this out,the tail and sorry this is my best shot i'm having trouble to find a good shot on digicam.



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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/1/2010, 5:35 am

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Yeh a shot of the carapace and we can lock down on the specific heterometrus sp

look this bro

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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/1/2010, 5:37 am

[quote="RyoKenzaki"]Below are the list of Heterometrus species found in Philipine

SCN Heterometrus cyaneus

SCN Heterometrus longimanus humilis

SCN Heterometrus longimanus marmoratus

SCN Heterometrus longimanus tarawakensis

SCN Heterometrus petersii luzonenis

SCN Heterometrus petersii midanaensis

Yours could be either one Wink

thanks kenzaki.. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/1/2010, 6:52 am

I did used to have a link that showed pictures of the tails and the entire carapace of all het. sp but i can't find it.

Going by your pics i would too say H. spinifer


The fifth picture is difficult as they are quite dirty.

I can see the granulation on the right of the scorp (scorps right our left) and not on the other side - that along with the red telson indicates to me H. spinfer.
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/1/2010, 9:24 am

oh really? thanks alot i hope my scorp is really a spinifer..
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/1/2010, 9:27 am

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locality? could be a large female longi.... closeup shots of the carapace granulations will narrow it down a fair bit as will the color of the telson (sting).

hey can you please check my newly post image of my scorp? thanks
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/2/2010, 2:07 am

another shot guys


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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/2/2010, 2:52 pm

ok dude.... its still a bit uncertain, so you will need to get a really clear shot of the granulation patterns... if you have a digital camera with macro capabilities that would work, other than that some external web cams can get it down to precise focus point...

thing is to get a clear fix on the id for Heterometrus, we need to see something like this....


This is one of one of my H. spinifers. You can see the granulations on the carapace - those little bumps that look like star constellations in the night sky... These are key to the ID speciation established by Couzijn for the genus Heterometrus in 1981, and further revised by Kovarik in 2004... Go to the Scorpion Files http://www.ntnu.no/ub/scorpion-files/

This is one I took of one of my H. spinifers. Here's another of another specimen for comparitive reference


Here's one of a smaller specimen I'm trying to determine if it is indeed H. cimrmani rather than spinifer.


Here is one of a male H. petersii


Sadly I haven't got around to closeups of my H. longimanus which I had planned to make but well... we all live in a well...

Another thing to look that will be very much worth your while is the Scorpion Files.
http://www.ntnu.no/ub/scorpion-files/
There is an ample source of literature made available for download, one being the Kovarik Genus review on Heterometrus...

this is essential to get an idea of what you're dealing with here with regards to how the explicable term AFS is often homogeneously applied to a group of scorpions that despite their generally similar appearance represents a dauntingly diverse number of different species that can only be differentiated by such seemingly trivial details.

I'd link you directly there, but you learn a lot more by exploring on your own. If you haven't gone through a taxonomical journal before, it can seem overwhelming at first (as it did for me), but take the time and patience to go through it like I (i.e. not a science major) did.

Seriously, take the time and patience... You not only learn a lot about scorpions, but also a considerable amount about yourself lol....

still post a clearer picture like the ones I just showed you, anytime you manage to... so we can help lock down the species you have. This is particularly important should you have plans to house different scorpions together for breeding or otherwise....

I hope you found that helpful an educational...

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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/3/2010, 7:07 am

wow thanks alot!! i noticed that there more granulations in cimrmani while the petersii had a very few granulations.

the first one you showed the spinifer had a moderate numbers of granulation?? still thanks alot!

the granulations are always color white?? what is AFS? just wait i'll find a better camera..
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/3/2010, 8:23 am

sasword_ron wrote:
the granulations are always color white??

I think thats just the light reflecting off them.
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/3/2010, 12:36 pm

Yes binks, the light reflection does help us pick out the granulation texture, otherwise it would be the same color... thnks for pointing that out, for a more precise explanation Smile
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PostSubject: Re: help me identify my first ever scorp pls..   1/3/2010, 3:56 pm

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what is AFS?

"Asian forest scorpion," generally referring to Heterometrus spinifer, but can sometimes apply to most of the genus.

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