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PostSubject: My emperor has mites   7/29/2009, 11:44 pm

Hey ok so heres the deal, i aint an expert on this, had my emperor about 2 weeks, pretty sure its female, its about a year old, i have noticed little white mites crawling over her, i spoke to my friend he said thats either good or bad, thats it either predatory mites that will feed off her or some other type that will kill the predatory mites? Ive looked around other forums people saying they have same problem but no one seems to know what they are, ive seen comments of "Change the substrate, clean the whole tank, clean the hides and everything" My friend just saids to get a cotton swob and coat it in vaseline and gently swab on scorp where i see them?

I am getting a second one soon and putting in same tank, hoping not to have them infect him aswell, my friend says it might of came from the food from the petshop? I feed mine locust, dont know if that makes a difference or not, just there bigger than crickets so i dont feed as often lol.

Hoping someone can help me out with this, thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 1:59 am

Crawling mites are good. They eat the bad kind (which remain motionless and congregate in huge numbers on the scorpion's joints).

You have nothing to worry about.

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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 2:54 am

Second what Mike said
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 8:41 am

yeah, you'll see these little dudes crawling around occasionally. there are usually a few more after a recent feed.
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 10:33 am

Yeah my friend said to me that i havent got anything to worry about aslong as there not over the joints like you said, he told me something i could do is to put the scorp in a container with a small amount of water for a while and the mites might drown cause they need water or something.

But yeah ok ill stick with the verdict that there good then, i see them crawling over the substrate and stuff so ill take that as a sign of that they dont need to stay on my scorpion, also another thing i might need help with, im going to get another one on saturday, male if possible, if they mate it wouldn't bother me too much as the ones in a 95 Litre fish tank on her own lol.

Any advice for that at all? my friend says to keep an eye on them, im hoping there not gonna constantly fight, ive put another hide in for when i do get the 2nd emp, dont know if im gonna need anything else or if theres anything i should look out for like behaviour wise etc? Thanks again.

Oh and heres a photo of ted (although im pretty sure its a girl its still gonna be called ted, other one is gonna be bill when i get him, so bill and ted, most excellent names)

http://illiweb.com/fa/pbucket.gif
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 11:38 am

well ted isnt an adult yet so mating wont happen. Be it ted is male or female (cant see from pic)
You need to make sure that Bill your new one is also a sub adult, as an adult has a RISK of killing a juvi.

What you need to do is take ted out of the tank and move everything around and put them both in at the same time.
Fighting/sparring WILL happen but things should settle down
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 12:40 pm

Yeah i gathered mating wont happen yet, and yeah i read that if one is smaller is risk of it being mistaken for food or something, and they should be the same size so no worries, and yeah i will move stuff around, i dont much like the layout atm, so will change it, thanks for the advice! and yeah i expected some sort of contact, my friend says if one tries to use its sting to sort of block it? Like i have 10 inch tweezers i use for feeding, so if one tries to sting he says to put it infront of a top part of the tail so it cant get to the other scorp?
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 12:54 pm

I say leave them to it. They cant kill each other with their venom. They are immune.
The main risk is pinching and tearing.
There WILL be sparring. Or they might just settle under the hide together.
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 7:52 pm

I have read that a scorpion can kill another one by stinging the abdominal ganglion (this involves flipping the scorpion over). I forgot where I read it from, so I can't cite it.
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 8:43 pm

^I've read that too, but it's a tricky shot and usually only observed (IIRC) in the more cannibalistic species.

By the way, your substrate looks like bark -- is this correct? If so, I suggest replacing it with something more soil-like. Ground coconut fiber (my favorite), peat, or pesticide-free / fertilizer-free potting soil are your best options.

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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 8:50 pm

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I have read that a scorpion can kill another one by stinging the abdominal ganglion (this involves flipping the scorpion over). I forgot where I read it from, so I can't cite it.


Do you mean different species? Cos i thought they are immune to their own species venom... or is the their own individual venom?
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 9:07 pm

^That's referencing scorpions that are the same species.

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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 9:08 pm

i didnt understand you there?
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 9:40 pm

Scorpions are immune to venom from their own species, so for a scorp to sting a member of its species to death it has to hit the central ganglion.

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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 9:42 pm

Im not totally sure on what that substrate was, but it got dry way too easy, is now replaced with cocoa fibre Smile
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 9:49 pm

Also sparring i wouldnt mind, i watched this video the other day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_mFCtVzea4

Looks mad to me lol, but yeah thats what i meant cause of where he had to stop one from stinging the other, looks strange them sort of grabbing eachothers claws like "what the hell you doing in my house" lol.

My scorpion randomly went for me when i had her out the other day, was second time i had her out, first time she was fine with it, i know your not supposed to handle them, and not at a young age either, but its one of those things you just wanna try, but thats another subject.

But i would probably feel like i had to do something if it got bad, what if like one got its claw around ones leg? That could turn ugly, i would feel that i would have to do something, i dont want something like that to happen, would feel like its my fault if one got hurt bad Sad
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 10:08 pm

Oh i see thankyou for the clarification there. What does it do in that ganglion, actually use the sting or just puncture it to death?

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Im not totally sure on what that substrate was, but it got dry way too easy, is now replaced with cocoa fibre


Yeah i use the same, havnt watered it since i got it ( a few days ago that is) seems the best substrate mate from what people have said on here
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 10:17 pm

If it looks like genuine injuries will result, then by all means break up the fight -- but that's not a common occurrence.

2xw, I think that's the only place the venom has any effect.

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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   7/30/2009, 10:18 pm

hmmm. Now you have my curiosity spiked... time for some research!
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   8/5/2009, 4:44 pm

The scorpion are not immune of anny venom, is own spicies or other.

An A. australis can kill an a.australis with is venom.


If you guys have some study which proves the oppositeor pdf ? let me no. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   8/5/2009, 4:48 pm

I remember reading they'd have to sting each other like 15 times though Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   8/5/2009, 10:56 pm

Plits wrote:
The scorpion are not immune of anny venom, is own spicies or other.

An A. australis can kill an a.australis with is venom.

H. Laoticus wrote:
a scorpion can kill another one by stinging the abdominal ganglion (this involves flipping the scorpion over).

The general consensus is that a scorpion is immune to the venom of its own species, unless that venom is delivered to the central nerve cord.

Gimme a few minutes and I'll find you a reference.

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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   8/5/2009, 11:08 pm

http://library.thinkquest.org/27858/prey_predators_parasites.htm wrote:
So, if scorpions of the same species munch on each other, the the belief that they are immune to their own venom is untrue ? No. Scorpions ARE immune to their own venom, but only to a certain extent. Shulow and Levy (1978) has found out that the Buthid scorpion Leiurus quinsquestriatus, normally called the "Deathstalker", is very resistant to its own venom. For death to occur, the scorpion would need to be directly overdosed in a short period of time. For Leiurus quinsquestriatus, it has been found that the quantity of venom that is required for death to occur would amount up to 18 stings by an average adult of the same species. This might not be very possible, since the probability of the attacking scorpion getting a "hit" each time, for 18 consecutive times, is very low.

How then, can scorpions cannibalise each other ? This is done when the larger scorpion overturns the smaller one, and stings it directly into an abdominal ganglion - this results in instant death. But is cannibalism a rare occurance, or is it normal at all ? From various data, it seems that it is commonplace for scorpions to eat each other. A study on the diet of Parauroctonus mesaensis by Polis (1979, 1980b) showed that scorpions were the 4th more commen prey item in their diet, and an average of 9% of their diet ! Hence, it seems that scorpions do live in a terrible world of being eaten frequently by their own friends !

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PostSubject: Re: My emperor has mites   8/7/2009, 11:55 pm

I am not convinced; 18 hit, 2-3 real and 15 dry, the scorpion do just pouch the others with is telson?, one does not know the quantity of venom injected and how mutch scorpions stodying 1-2 or 100 into this study, and one species in not representativ,. A lot of stody to make...

I wont to reproduce my scorp. and i have a fight with an A.australis female and a A.australis male, the female squise the male and sting the male has three to five or six time and the male lifeles weak legs, died in the evening. It's a real fight very quick.

I believe that the tolerance with the venom is individual, of the same manner than a mice which sting with not the amount mortal does not die, does not want to say that the mice is immunized

Thank you for your seaching Mr.Mordax, A+
Sorry for my bad english. Thanks

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