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PostSubject: any idea people?   7/24/2009, 3:51 pm

anybody now weather you could cross breed a emp with an asian forest? or sumat like that?
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/24/2009, 5:48 pm

They have to be in the same Genus before they could cross.

So no Heterometrus with any Pandinus could not.

Theoretically those from the same Genus could.
For example a Pandinus Imperator with a Pandinus Cavimanus

Only one documented case of hybrids has been documetned.
That's with two different Androctonus species.
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/24/2009, 5:50 pm

was there any implications?
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/25/2009, 1:37 pm

gramps wrote:
was there any implications?

Making everyone else in the hobby angry at potentially screwing up the captive breeding population.

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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/25/2009, 2:26 pm

I don't get why people hate hybrids.
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/25/2009, 8:55 pm

well i really want to keep the scorp hobby free of hybrid sp and stuff, look at the snake world no one has a pure blood python any more all got spider morphs and stuff like that or gekkos alot of morph breeding going on.. If you start making hybrids in the scorp hobby its really going to screw up the sp and genus taxo and its screwed up enough with out hybrids and stuff

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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/25/2009, 8:58 pm

Well thats cus they sell em.
I don't think I'd sell mine.
Just have and give them for documentation and studies and such.


But scorpions are different then snakes.

Snakes, when bred, it's almost exclusively for them to be sold.

You can breed your scorpions and keep them all with no trouble since they're wayyyy cheaper/smaller/time consuming
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/25/2009, 9:03 pm

yeah but why spoil any genus by creating 'mutt's'?

granted accidents happen i.e. a scorpion gets out into another enclosure and could possibly mate with a similar species.

but these should never be sold and kept ONLY for scientific study. I personally would never knowingly buy a hybrid. Personally I think it's wrong.

Part of the reason why we breed is to conserve wild specimens. Hybrids would only corrupt the hobby and sent it into madness! There are already enough people hybridising tarantula's and spoiling it for the hobby
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/25/2009, 9:17 pm

Man, this is just one of those cases that looks good on paper but doesn't play out well in real life.


I am alright with hybrids as long as they aren't sold for breeding. Just to experience a rare creature that is NOT from mother nature.
Learn about it, blah blah.

But there's people who don't care and mess things up.
Like the Jungle carpet pythons and Boa constrictors.
all their locale subspecies are mixed up and a lot are mutts.
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/25/2009, 9:22 pm

aye sadly again, by mans hand forcing their territories to cross over by taking land away from them!
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/26/2009, 7:28 am

Lets not forget its not always by "mans hand" some species in the snake world will mate with similar given the chance. Boas are a good example really so many Local variations that do occasionally meet and breed. then there are those caused by man such as the Ball python crossed with a burmese python O_O freaky but kinda kool.

Then if you look at rat snakes they all seem to breed with each other given the chance lol
I mean look at your snake lisa the mean rat that looks like 4 different species of rat lmao
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/26/2009, 10:39 am

Is it difficult to hybridize scorps because i've never heard of it before Shocked

Surely there are people who have done it?
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/26/2009, 10:48 am

Try reading the thread. Razz

Venom wrote:
Only one documented case of hybrids has been documetned.
That's with two different Androctonus species.

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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/26/2009, 11:21 am

I agree graham but various similar wild species are encroaching on their neighbours territory because we happen to be taking the land for building and farming and pushing them back into area's where they never used to be or encroach. Our snake is a bad example because it was captive born... not a wild snake that has hybridised. Our snake is the way he is, again, because of mans interference! Love him to bit's but there is no getting away from the fact he is a 'mutt'

Anyway back to the ACTUAL subject.

No doubt there are people dumb enough to hybridise different scorpion species within the same genus. Just because you can doesn't mean you have to. A you can see I feel VERY strongly about this subject.
It is a well know fact that hybridising tarantula's causes a higher mortality rate with the slings. Learn from their mistakes people, dont even bother!
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/26/2009, 11:33 am

but within society there hybrids everywhere from dogs and cats,
and i dont know weather this could be seen as racist but arnt humans making human hybrids, like halfcasts?

differnt racis, ? sory about spelling, also i mean now offence
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/26/2009, 11:57 am

Dogs are all one species, cats are all one species. There isn't hybridization going on, just selective breeding. Same deal with humans.

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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/26/2009, 11:59 am

so a labradors the same as a yorkshire terrior?
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/26/2009, 12:36 pm

In terms of species? Yes. It's equivalent to saying an Eskimo is the same as an African bushman. They're both humans.

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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/26/2009, 12:38 pm

oh:)
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/26/2009, 12:57 pm

I think we should stay on subject here... i.e. the hybridising of scorpions. it is too easy to talk about other animals and get totally away from the point. or the original point becomes lost

Yes hybrids are everywhere but they are not the topic of discussion here
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/26/2009, 6:45 pm

you sound like a mod lisa :L you'll be giving mike a run for his money soon lol. the only hybridization in scorpions that i've heard about was the one venom mentioned with the two andros. either way, I'd imagine it would be very difficult to hybridize scorpions..
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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/26/2009, 8:08 pm

LadyRiotControl wrote:
I think we should stay on subject here... i.e. the hybridising of scorpions. it is too easy to talk about other animals and get totally away from the point. or the original point becomes lost

Yes hybrids are everywhere but they are not the topic of discussion here

Well, it was the OP who shifted discussion in that direction by bringing up other species. I indulged his questions and the matter was concluded (or at least I thought by his "oh" comment Wink ).

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PostSubject: Re: any idea people?   7/27/2009, 7:46 am

lol yeah I guess it's a pet hate with me when a topic of discussion goes off at an oblique angle!
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