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PostSubject: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/24/2009, 12:24 pm

My asian forest scorpion gave birth to a brood of 10+ scorplings last night (too many to count).

This is my first time with scorplings and I need some tips and help on caring for them.

I know to remove them from the mother's back after one week. Ive haerd you should store each one in a delicup with food and bedding.

How long do they have to stay in the deli cups? Can i just move them all into one seperate tank? I know they are teritorial, but my 2 adults dont seem to bother eachother much, probably because they lived with eachother in the petstore for quite a while.

I just need all the info I can get on caring for the little guys and making sure each one survives.
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/24/2009, 12:29 pm

h.spinifers arnt teriitorial?





my mate keeps them in a communal tank
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/24/2009, 1:43 pm

U can keep them in the delicup until u think they r too big and not suitable to live in there anymore then chg it to bigger enclosure.Frm wat i heard,we can keep them communally,but sometimes cannibalism occurs.Different scorpion hav different personality,some can tolerate more but some cant. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/25/2009, 6:11 am

When my het femaled birthed to 42 scorplings. I kept them in with mum all the way up until they were 3rd instar. I would have kept it longer, until adulthood...but the mother died. Which is why they are no longer with their mother
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/25/2009, 9:25 am

congrats on the brood though mate Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/25/2009, 1:33 pm

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I know to remove them from the mother's back after one week.

Don't do this. Wait until they come off of mom's back on their own -- sometimes longer than a week -- before removing them.

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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/25/2009, 3:22 pm

After a week is about the time they should come off. Since I have to let em come off on their own, is it okay to move the mother to a different tank untill theyre all off of her? The babies can easily get lost in the mothers tank, so i dont want to have to serch for all 15-20 of them then move them to a different tank afterwards.
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/25/2009, 8:26 pm

Its best to remove the mum for any brood bothering as she will become very protective. If you have decided you want them away from Mum then to take them out, you have to take her out first.
They can stay with mother as long as they get along (which they normally do since parent and babies)...but if you want to take them out etc then that is fine, after they are all off mums back.

I would suggest leaving a feed for about 3 days to a week afterwards to make sure they are fully hardened.
Some people suggest feeding pinhead crickets but I always prekilled small crickets for the first few feeds and then let them deal with small crickets at 2I and it went well
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/25/2009, 9:32 pm

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is it okay to move the mother to a different tank untill theyre all off of her?

Moving her with young still on her back is dangerous as it may stress her into eating the young or they may fall off of her (where they would have a harder time surviving).

Just wait until they come off on their own, put mom in a different tank, and round up the babies to put them in new enclosures.

And they won't get "lost" in mom's tank, but if it's big, they might have a hard time locating prey.

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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/25/2009, 9:43 pm

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And they won't get "lost" in mom's tank, but if it's big, they might have a hard time locating prey.[/quote]

Its not that im worried about them not being able to know where they are or anthing. I need to put my other scorp in the mothers tank (where it originally was), so i cnat have the babies living in there since the could get eaten. Im just worried about me not being able to find them when I want to move them to a new tank.
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/25/2009, 9:57 pm

That's fine then. Just wait until they leave mom on their own. Plus, they'll glow under a blacklight then, so they shouldn't be too hard to track down. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/25/2009, 10:23 pm

On that note, Is it bad to use a blacklight on the scorps?

I was building a new home for the little guys, and i wanted to install a blacklight so I could check on them at night without disturbing them.
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/26/2009, 12:02 am

Well just to update you guys on the current situation. My other H spinf died. Im guessing due to the change in environment. I moved it to a small temporary tank so it wouldnt eat the babies and Im assuming it died due to lack of heat and humidity. (didnt have ANYTHING else to give heat and keep in humidity in that temporary tank)
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/26/2009, 4:43 am

If that was the case I would have left mum until a head mat could have been bought.
Or is the the other one who was housed with the mother who died?

Maybe it was just old age or maybe it was the no heat and no humidity thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/26/2009, 9:23 am

It was the other scorp that died. I moved her from the mother scorps tank so that she wouldnt eat any of the other's babies (both of my adults where female, incase there was any confusion. Also, both scorps were gravid when I bought them).

I still have a couple questions though.

-Is a black light bad for scorpions? Its not gonna be on them for a long time. Im just going to use it to check on them at night.

- What have you done with any scorps that have died tried to preserve my 1st emp that died. Failed. I preserved the 2nd one successfully in clear resin and a home made frame. Im thinking of preserving it using the "Hairspray" method. Or I might preserve use ethenol.

There are 2 problems. Since ethonol is just 200 proof alcohol, I cant buy it since Im 17. I cant really ask my dad to buy it for 2 reasons. 1, Id have to pay for it and im like down to $3 My eyes! And 2, If I had the $, he's not gonna buy me alcohol, even though he knows I have never drank and all that.

And now problem 2, the hairspray method involves cutting into the scorp, and I know its going to be really hard to do something like that. Call it strange if you will, but I cared about my scorps as much as I cared about my cat. Some caled them bugs, I called them normal pets. You see what Im saying right?
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/26/2009, 10:52 am

Blacklights are fine if only used for brief periods, such as demos or hunting.

These scorps are tough enough that one day in another container wouldn't have killed it.

You can usually get denatured ethanol at drugstores as "Ethyl Rubbing Alcohol." They stick benzene or something in it so you can't drink it. It's usually at 70% which is fine for bugs. You may be able to use isopropyl rubbing alcohol, but it stinks.

My method of preservation is to stick the scorp in acetone for several days to several weeks. You may need to inject some into the main body of the scorp to make sure the acetone replaces all the water.

If you use my method, be sure to pose the scorp first, 'cause it will be too dry to pose afterwords.

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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/26/2009, 11:00 am

She was in there for 3 days actually. I know one day wouldnt kill her.

As for your method, what is acetone, where can I get it, and whats the average price (USD)
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/26/2009, 11:56 am

It's just a solvent -- you can get it in either beauty supply stores (fingernail polish remover) or hardware stores (solvent / paint thinners). It's fairly cheap, and you don't need a lot. Just enough to immerse the scorp.

Make sure that whatever container you use to soak the scorp is glass, metal, or ceramic (acetone melts some plastics) and has a lid (so it doesn't evaporate or stink).

If you get any acetone on your hands, it will just feel really really dry. Be sure to rinse it off, though.

After the scorp is done soaking (I'd soak a full grown ASF for a week at least) let it air-dry and then stick it in a display case. It will smell kind of funny but you won't notice if it's in a glass box.

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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/26/2009, 12:11 pm

So paint thinner will work just fine? Okay. Thanks. Ive worked with it alot before (made models and stuff) and im pretty much used to the feeling, and as for chemical smells, im not really bothered by them.

Do I need to inject er with some thinner aswell? Or will letting her sit in it be just fine?
Im really not sure if I wouls be ably to get my hands on a syringe if I needed to inject her with it. Idk how CVS will go about seling that to a minor.
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PostSubject: Re: Newborn H. Spinfs. (Asian Forest Scorp.) Help.   7/26/2009, 12:35 pm

Don't use ACTUAL paint thinner; acetone is just usually found in the same area. I don't know how standard paint thinner would work. (If you have paint thinner already, check around your garage or something -- you might have some acetone.)

I've had to inject it with scorps as large as emps. If you can't get a syringe, just try cutting a couple of small openings in the side membranes to help it diffuse in.

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