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junshern222
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PostSubject: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/21/2009, 6:46 am

i got this female phormictopus one months ago,she was doing allright with good appetite all the whiles.
until today evening after a heavy rain,i notice something was not right with her.her two front legs are bending while the other legs are curling sidewards.i seriously dont know whether its a dyskinetic syndrome or not,or may be im too new to the defination of the term dyskinetic syndrome.all i need is u guys help
i have seen the videos in youtube,regarding the way tarantulas walk with the syndrome,then i went to check mine,with tweezers.well ,she tend to attack the tweezer,with front legs up.after i take away my tweezer,her legs remained at the position,but keep giving a slight shaking movement..
i have checked the humidity,so it wont be any dehydration.i dont think there is any air contamination as thats our store room where only me and my brother going in out.
yes,she was currently in a premoult state with dark abdomen,was that simply a sign of premoult?or its something bad happening around.oh god,i cannot afford to loose this one as another phormictopus in coming around tomorrow,hopefully a male to proceed the breed.
a comparison of the standing pose,with some old photos.

notice the legs.

photo taken when i first bought her.
see the differences of the legs,one is standing rigid while the others curling.

front legs


comparison with old photos again


bald and dark abdomen,obvious premoult


well,i hope its simply a sign before moult instead of DS..
hope someone is there to help me out No
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/21/2009, 6:59 am

Hi Jun, i recently had a Chilobrachys cf andersoni acting like this, but post-moult. she had plenty of water but was still curling as if dehydrated. she also "shivered" a bit, or rather her legs did.
i actually ended up picking her up, holding her upside down and dribbling water into her mouth. i stroked her chelicerae to open them so some made its way into her mouth.
after a few drops, she perked up, then weakly tried walking or darting somewhere (still had some life!)
i repeated this treatment every day for nearly a week. on Saturday, i went to repeat it, and she gave me the fright of my life, darting from one side of the tub down her burrow! such speed!
but anyway, she appears to have recovered fully.

it sounds like yours might need similar forced watering, but the fact she is new world (with urticating hairs) and still defensive means you have to be careful, perhaps you'll have some success if you tub her, and place a fresh lot of kitchen roll (or kitchen towel, whatever you call it there? or even toilet paper would do) soaked with water, sit her on it with her mouth over it, and repeat this daily. if her problem is like my spider's, she should recover soon.
i'd be cautious about overdoing it, i think treatment once or twice daily is enough. i think leaving the spider in the tub with so much water is why i failed to save a few sickly spiders in the recent past.
good luck, mate!
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/21/2009, 7:59 am

ok mate.heres what i did after our conversation.






im afraid im making the situation worse.look at the last photo,it looks bad.
so whats next?
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/21/2009, 8:04 am

i think that's the best for now, try again tomorrow. make sure she has plenty of water available in her tank. perhaps raise the temperature a bit if you can.
this is all that i did with my Chilobrachys, and she has improved alot.
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/21/2009, 8:06 am

ok,thanks for your help mate.
the abdomen is not at the right position,should i turn it right? No
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/21/2009, 8:42 am

i am cheering for it as i reading..

all the best to you .. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/21/2009, 9:29 am

me too!

Jun, i wouldn't fuss her too much, she does look quite close to a moult...

see how she is tomorrow, maybe try some tissue paper rather than a towel, and make sure it's wet enough to soak into her mouth a bit.

i've found so far that it doesn't take much fluid for the spider to perk up, almost scarily so! hehe so all the best and good luck to you and her!!!
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/21/2009, 9:39 am

thanks mate.will keep update.
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/21/2009, 2:56 pm

thanks to corpselight,without your kind advise,i wont be steady enough to control myself from flipping her back when she is about to moult. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/21/2009, 3:35 pm

has the T been dropped at all?
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/21/2009, 6:23 pm

nope。anw,she moulted few hours ago.
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/22/2009, 3:46 am

okay,this is her photo


i assume her to be okay after the moult,but things are not as good as what i expected.
after the moult,i can see her walking style was still the same,still in ds,which suspected to be dehydration.or is that its normal for a tarantula to behave that way after moult?so should i do the forced watering?or later when the exo harden?
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/22/2009, 4:01 am

Do you have a water dish in her tank?
Surely you do. I would bump the humidity up too. Just to be sure.

I would wait a day after the moult and then put in the extra humidity
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/22/2009, 4:11 am

thinkng of putting her in my bathroom where there is a lot of humidity.
is that better to leave her alone on the first day after moullt?
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/22/2009, 5:40 am

hi mate, wow! that looks ok, she's bound to be a bit soft now, so don't bother her too much.
making sure water is available should be enough.

i have a Grammostola pulchripes (formerly aureostriata) that has weak leg joints, even after moulting. this hasn't stopped her eating or even mating, though. could this be what's wrong with yours?
i wouldn't assume "DS" it just sounds like she's a little weak, which having water to drink and plenty of food to eat after she hardens up for 7 days or so, will keep her going and she should get better.

she looks fantastic though!
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/22/2009, 5:44 am

just to add, the fact she moulted successfully at all is a great sign.
i think you were perhaps too worried Wink
we'll see how she gets on, worth keeping an eye on, but just give her some peace and rest for a week, and then try feeding.
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/24/2009, 6:26 am

I'll second James with what he has put

I will refer to our once near death's doorstep O.aureotibialis. Despite a humid tank she still managed to get dehydrated, god knows how but one of those things you will never get to the bottom of!
Anyhow she went on to make a near full recovery. She too also has some 'bent' limps and lists to the left (or is it the right?) and sort of hobbles along.

But she is eating and if they are eating that is a good sign.

We later went on to mate her and she is due to drop an egg sac any day now Very Happy

Sometimes things happen to your spids and there is no simple explanation as to what went wrong. Dont torment yourself thinking you have done something wrong, it's more than likely you have been doing things right!
Just concentrate on making sure she is hydrated and when she has fully hardened let us know if she can eat
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PostSubject: Re: urgent advise needed for this p.cancerides   7/31/2009, 6:36 am

Hi mates,some updates here.
Recently i found that the Phormictopus is recovering,there is a slight improvement i would say.I assume it would be similar to lisa's O.aureotibialis,like what she said,surviving and eating while having 'untidy' limbs.So i would like like to share the way i save her from being worse,instead of isolate her,i tried covering the ventilated cover with wet towers,until there were water vapours form on the side of the tank.After several days of doing this,she finally started eating.Althought her movement is not so smooth currently,but at least she managed to stand,unlike previously where the whole body was lying on substrate.
this is she

thanks to james and lisa,she wont be living without you guys help.

and yea,found a mate for her,seems fine though.

i hope the comparison of sizes is clearly visible.
im thinking of how long more can i put them for a mate..

cheers!
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