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PostSubject: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/19/2009, 12:22 am

Hi scorpion people, I'm about to get a scorpion promised to me months back from a local seller here in Malaysia. I just got the pic (the only one unfortunately) yesterday.

Need help to positively ID this little soldier. The guy selling it has labelled it as 'African Black Thicktail' and has not a clue to what it really is. Will be meeting up with him next Saturday. Any hints on the possible sex would also be grand.

Black Buthid Bicolor

I'm thinking Androctonus bicolor.. scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/19/2009, 12:41 am

Looks more like a parabuthus transvaalicus
Although the caraprace looks wide.
Maybe I never seen an adult.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/19/2009, 2:22 am

looks to me as a P.transvaalicus, as for sex, poss female but with out seeing pectines, its any1's
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/19/2009, 3:12 am

Deathstalker wrote:
looks to me as a P.transvaalicus, as for sex, poss female but with out seeing pectines, its any1's

You cant allways sex by the pectines

it looks like a P.transvaalicus and its a female..

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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/19/2009, 3:15 am

deffinetly looks like a Parabuthus to me. very good cool scorpion.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/20/2009, 3:00 am

Thank you friends.

After reading up more on P. trans, I'm beginning to agree with the voice of the majority here. The picture does lean more in favour of a Parabuthus.

I'm already beginning to prepare a simple setup designed for a spitter. Hopefully it will work. I'll update you guys with more pics of the lioness when she comes into my hands this weekend.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/20/2009, 12:18 pm

I need to say.. look at the telson, it's freakin' massive.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/20/2009, 12:57 pm

rafiqos wrote:
Thank you friends.

After reading up more on P. trans, I'm beginning to agree with the voice of the majority here. The picture does lean more in favour of a Parabuthus.

I'm already beginning to prepare a simple setup designed for a spitter. Hopefully it will work. I'll update you guys with more pics of the lioness when she comes into my hands this weekend.

i wan one juz like like urs ... lol
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/24/2009, 9:34 am

Just because it can "spray" venom doesnt mean it does all the time, I belive its really rare thing to happen..

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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/26/2009, 5:23 pm

do they stiil 'spray' in cabtivity?
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/26/2009, 5:37 pm

Yes they sparay anywhere.

But they rarely do even in the wild.

Some are squirters some prefer not to.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/26/2009, 5:58 pm

Many says this is just a myth, i have not seen or heard of any doing it, but i'm getting one soon. So i hope i can see this one time (hopefully not squirting on me).

Here are some info i pulled out of Scorpion-files.

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Venom:
Medical data indicate that this species has a strong venom and is medical significant. In a study in Zimbabwe, 63 % of the stings of this species resulted in intense pain only. 27 % of the stings resulted in minor systematic envenomation (hypersalivation, sweating and subjective neurological complaints). Severe scorpionism was seen in 10 % of the cases (neuromuscular symptoms with significant parasympathetic nervous system and cardiac involvment). Fatality rate was 0.3 % with deaths in children below 10 years and adults above 50 years. The cadiac involvment in P. transvaalicus envenomations differ from general buthid scorpionisms. Use of species specific antivenom seem to have a positive therapeutic effect.

LD 50 value for this species is reported to be 4.25 mg/kg. Due to it size, this scorpion can inject very large amounts of venom. NB! This species is able to squirt venom up to one meter away, and venom in the eyes can be very dangerous. Safty glasses is reccomended when dealing with this species.

The medical significance of this species has been discussed. The Zimbabwe study indicates that P. transvaalicus should be treated as a dangerous species with a potential life-treatning venom.


http://www.ub.ntnu.no/scorpion-files/p_transvaalicus.php
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/26/2009, 8:30 pm

Thanks for digging up Scorpion Files for me scorpis.

The scorpion has been with me for 2 days now. Will take more pics for shares as soon as I have some time!
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty4/27/2009, 2:53 am

thank you for that info! very good read!
yes to more pics!!
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty5/10/2009, 8:47 am

Some more pictures for shares. Still very divided over the ID of this scorpion.

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I'm thinking an Androctonus sp. (possibly either bicolor or crassicauda), but most people I know are leaning toward a Parabuthus sp.

Black Buthid 3517778246_a1687c818e
For those who just love rectal views.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty5/10/2009, 9:14 am

great shots.

but it's definetly not an Androctonus Sp.

my guess would be Parabuthus transvaalicus
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty5/10/2009, 3:13 pm

I'm torn between that^ and A. bicolor -- if it is an Androctonus sp., that's my guess based on the coloration of the legs.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty5/10/2009, 3:54 pm

Oki iam going to close this Very Happy

check this out

This picture shows 2 Androctonus bicolor
Black Buthid A_bicolor4

This is the scorpion from this thread
Black Buthid Bicolor


Please note the shape of the telson in picture 1 and picture 2
Not the same size, shape or have the same grenulation
now look at the metasoma on both pictures, both have grenulation but picture 2 got a rounder and more grenulation, plus its hairy

now look at this picture
Black Buthid P_transvaalicus4

This is a parabuthus transvaalicus taken from Scorpion files
if you want more proof please take a look at the sharpes of the "arms" on the scorps we are talking about here and note that Androctonus bicolor has differnt shaped arms..

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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty5/10/2009, 11:09 pm

That is a very clear explanation Kejser. I can really see the difference now. And yes, the 'arms' in both species are very different.

Thank you so much guys for helping out.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty9/29/2009, 6:14 am

how much u buy this?
where u buy??
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty9/30/2009, 4:22 am

Dam kejser beat me to the "look at the telson" shpeal lol
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty10/1/2009, 8:56 pm

great scorp! think Kejser's won the day there for ID Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Black Buthid   Black Buthid Empty10/2/2009, 12:23 am

He won the day five months ago.

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