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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/3/2009, 8:24 am

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LadyRiotControl wrote:
a good 8-9" long and weigh in at about 56g

I saw an adult female at the newark show last year... she was chuffing ma-hoo-sive!
the biggest scorp ever caught was a hetrometrus swammerdami I think it was just under 10 " long

I though I could recall seeing somewhere about one being nearly 10" but I wasn't certain if i was dreaming it up so didn't mention it unless I was totally wrong!
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/3/2009, 2:05 pm

Here those links theres a couple.
http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=23835
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1169/is_n6_v33/ai_17624773/
Here's a quote.Other small rodents eat insects and carrion to fill out vegetarian
diets, but the three species of grasshopper mouse, all natives of the
American West, subsist almost entirely on meat. The staple of the
grasshopper mouse's diet is, appropriately enough, grasshoppers, to
which the mouse may add beetles, caterpillars, spiders, ants, mites and
other small invertebrates, even scorpions, to whose venom the mouse
seems immune.
Meerkat:
Found in the Kalahari desert in Southern Africa, male and female meerkats
are hard to identify from each other mainly because they are both
the same size, at 50cm (20in) with the tail itself at 20cm (8in) long.
They eat insects, small mammals, scorpions, lizards, and snakes. Meerkats
are immune to scorpion venom. The meerkats' society is formed into
groups, called "colonies" or "mobs", with up to 40 inhabitants each.
They have a lifespan of about 10 years.ok I didn't know this one listed above but it's pretty interesting.
http://www.didyouknow.org/animals/animalsmno.htm
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/3/2009, 2:31 pm

I've heard of certain species of mice being highly tolerant of scorpion venom. I doubt they are immune (I'm fairly sure a sufficent dose to the brain or heart would kill it)
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/3/2009, 2:46 pm

look at the vid and watch how many times those mice get stung. They don't die.
And I'll get more links to prove my point I'll be back.
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/3/2009, 2:50 pm

lol, I'm not going againts you, all I'm saying is it probably isn't immune, just has a very high tolerance. as I said.. I'm sure a direct dose to the brain would kill it. but, ethier way the scorpio doesn't stand a chance.
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/3/2009, 3:01 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grasshopper_mouse


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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/3/2009, 3:04 pm

Mr. Mordax wrote:
Citation please? I'm not aware of anything that's immune to scorpion venom besides other scorpions (of the same species). Though I am aware that most scorpion venoms' functionality is primarily tied to arthropod physiology.
I'm also sure that if an animal is forced to feed off scorpions in the wild due to lack food it may develop an immunity to them over time. No?
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/3/2009, 3:22 pm

ok, I read that the mice have develped certain physiological resistances to certain scorpion species' venom. namely centruriodes. so, if another, foriegn species with a different type of venom stung a mouse, say, hemiscorpius lepturus (which has a highly necrotoxic venom, which targets living cells) i'm sure it would have a good chance of dying. or any other species with other types of venom. ao they aren't really immune to scorpion venom.

anyyyway, let us stop stealing this thread, mods won't be to happy.. if you want to continue the discusiion, you can always create a new thread.


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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/3/2009, 3:28 pm

Ok lol.
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/3/2009, 8:14 pm

I sure do like how we all can discuss these things without it getting rude and insulting like other forums. It says a lot about the caliber of people who come here Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/3/2009, 11:57 pm

LMAO it's so true read a you tube forum or something everyones bashing each others moms and such. I guess it's because we debate not fight.
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/4/2009, 2:28 pm

I believe it's called debating and discussion in a sensible adult manner. One of the many reasons I have a lot of time and respect for this forum and its members Smile
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/4/2009, 3:51 pm

regarding them grasshopper mice, there have been cases where they appeared immune to certain scorpion venom which is the obscurity, but similar to the meerkat, their "immunity" stems from the fact that they're able to evade getting stung and avoid consuming the venom. They simply know how to take down and dine on a scorpion strategically.
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/4/2009, 3:55 pm

look at the link povided earlier and watch the vid the mice get stung well over a dozen times and are soaked in venom but they live.
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/4/2009, 4:15 pm

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look at the link povided earlier and watch the vid the mice get stung well over a dozen times and are soaked in venom but they live.

ya they seem immune to the venom, but it's not for certain if they can consume the venom and live. Most often they will go after the telson similar to meerkats and attempt to disable it. This implies that there is definitely some fear of being stung, some fear of envenomation that poses a threat to them (maybe it just hurts) and also, they don't eat the telson...!
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/4/2009, 4:51 pm

I think they don't like the pain lol Look how much it hurts us getting stung on say your thumb imagine if your face is the size of a fat thumb how much pain that would cause.
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/4/2009, 5:35 pm

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I sure do like how we all can discuss these things without it getting rude and insulting like other forums. It says a lot about the caliber of people who come here Very Happy

All the information makes us better ...well... informed Laughing

cheers i totaly agree, theres forums i'm a member of where i wouldn't dream of asking questions cause they all would just asume your a complete idiot how shouldn't be keeping scorpions, but on here i dont have that fear, i love coming on to this forum and post away, with out fearing of getting slatted or getting any hatefull replys! i just love the maturity of the members on here and there willingness to help others, not put them down!!
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/4/2009, 5:42 pm

This forums great for asking questions and learning things you need to know to get more experience in the hobbie you gotta start somewhere right. Everyones really kind and patient I find.
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/4/2009, 5:44 pm

when all is said and done... that is the whole point of a forum, to aide people and share information. there are a couple of forums I stay well clear of because of their attitude... which inevitably rubs off on other people. In my view there is absolutely no need for a slagging match against other people you will probably never meet. personally i think it's cowardly and spineless

man this thread is going off on a few tangents lmao!
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PostSubject: Re: new to scorpions and have a couple of questions   4/4/2009, 5:46 pm

And it all started with feeding questions lol
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