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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/5/2009, 3:16 pm

Can deathstalkers climb glass?

If so can anything be smeared on the glass to stop them?

If not, how deep should the aquarium/vivarium be so that the scorpion could not climb out?
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/5/2009, 4:35 pm

They don't climb glass at all.

But they MIGHT climb the glue that is used to put the glass together at the corners
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/5/2009, 4:42 pm

So a completely escape proof lid is still essential then in case they climb the silicone, no height of tank is escape proof if open topped?

How high could a full grown deathstalker reach, ie to grab a lid to climb if it were unable to climb the silicone?
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/6/2009, 1:40 am

Split from the caresheet.

As venom said, no scorpions can climb a sheer surface, but it's possible in theory that they may climb the silicone in the corner. If you ask me, it's dumb to keep ANY invert in an open-top container -- especially one as venomous as the species in question.

In order for a lid to be outside a scorpion's reach, the shortest wall height would have to be greater than the scorpion's fully-extended tail + body + pinchers.

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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/6/2009, 2:21 am

I keep a few things in lidless containers (G rosea, S rubronitens, C cyanpubescens). No scorpion can climb glass. My LQs (Lieurus quinquestriatus, Israeli Deathstalker scorpions) live in a container with a sliding lid which I can put a lock on. I'm lazy and my bug room is blocked off so i don't.

Do not screw with LQs. Even if there's no recorded cases of them climbing the silicone why take that chance?
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/6/2009, 3:04 am

Why would you keep tarantulas lidless? They can climb glass just fine.

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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/6/2009, 2:39 pm

*shrugs*
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/7/2009, 3:54 am

I had T's that would climb glass very easily! why take the risk and lose a T when u can simpily put a lid on!!
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/7/2009, 4:31 am

We had the t blondi up the glass yesterday and pressed to the lid...man im glad we have a lid because he would have been out and gone and probably would have eaten the kittens ha ha
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/8/2009, 1:50 pm

Thanks for the answers, I wasn't planning in keeping it in an open-topped tank.

I will keep it in a locked viv but the viv sits inside another aquarium as an extra precaution, the lrger aquarium has a lid but is not very secure. If in the very unlikely event that it were to get out of the vivarium I wanted to be confident it could still not escape the aquarium.

My Godson (3) is often about so I am taking every step I can to make sure it is secure.
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/8/2009, 2:04 pm

...::shaking head::...

no comment


EDIT: wait, wait....UGH!
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/8/2009, 2:09 pm

If it could get on the lid of the inner aquarium, could it reach the top of the outer aquarium?

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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/8/2009, 2:15 pm

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If it could get on the lid of the inner aquarium, could it reach the top of the outer aquarium?

you're trying to get me to "UGH" again aren't you?

MY PEACE: Deathstalkers, in theory can't climb glass, are sneaky buggers! they have been reported to scale many enclosure walls. lid? if you don't put a lid on it, you deserve the chaos that may ensue!
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/8/2009, 2:23 pm

I wasn't trying to make you snap, Ras; I just wanted to ensure that there was sufficient precaution being taken.

Monster fish, you might wanna find a way to secure that outermost lid.

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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/8/2009, 2:28 pm

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I wasn't trying to make you snap, Ras; I just wanted to ensure that there was sufficient precaution being taken.

I was just adding another "UGH" to further emphasize my obvious disliking for this thread.

you know the next question is gonna be "My Androctonus australis just stung me when I tried picking him up, what should I do?"

common sense dictates, that unless one lives exposed in the native habitat of that species and is prone to finding said species hanging out in their shoes or various other locations of their living quarters on a regular basis, that one should keep it in an enclosure that is 100% escape proof.
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/10/2009, 5:38 pm

Rasputin I think you are missing the point of my thread.

The scorpion will be in a sealed vivarium under lock and key as I said.

The outer aquarium that the viv will be set in is as a very last completely hypothetical barrier.
Do you keep your scorpions under double lock and key????

I am just being anal about precautions, thatís why I am asking the questions regarding the outer aquarium even though there is in all likelihood zero percent chance of the scorpion ever being outside of its locked vivarium.

Everyone who has taken the time to actually read the posts and respond intelligently, I thank you.


"If it could get on the lid of the inner aquarium, could it reach the top of the outer aquarium?"

Yes I suppose it could. I will just ensure the outer aquarium is secure as well to be 100%
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/10/2009, 5:47 pm

as long as the main lid is secure, you should be fine. the only time I use multiple enclosures is if I'm worried about somebody being stupid and getting into my critters or if there's a 4 legged miscreant that has access to the area.
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/10/2009, 6:59 pm

i'd defo try n secure the lid! in the Uk as your prob awere we need a license to keep deathstalkers and all the locks and set ups get checked before the license is granted! sometimes its just not worth the hassle!
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/12/2009, 2:50 am

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i'd defo try n secure the lid! in the Uk as your prob awere we need a license to keep deathstalkers and all the locks and set ups get checked before the license is granted! sometimes its just not worth the hassle!
I would think the license is a little more hassle than it's worth.
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/12/2009, 12:19 pm

yes, it is..

in some places it can be £2000+ a year. (some place in wales, I think..)

plus all the checks, locks, and other crap you need..
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/12/2009, 10:31 pm

Its only about £100 a year here for a species like this so it isn't too bad.

I'll get my set-up organised and apply and take it from there.
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PostSubject: Re: Glass-climbing (deathstalkers)   3/14/2009, 3:31 pm

Just to mention, i have a tank with sliding doors on it i keep my heterometrus spinifer and it managed to use the silicone in the corner n the door frame as a ladder and made it all the tway onto the lid without falling off. so no sliding doors ifi ts a LQ
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