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Matt Kogler
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Matt Kogler

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PostSubject: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty2/23/2009, 12:22 pm

Can anyone ID the species and sub species of this little (about 1/2 an inch) guy? These were found at Otay Lake near the US/Mexico border near San Diego. They were found on the hill sides around Otay Lake under rocks in semi damp soil conditions, none found were over an inch long.

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Mr. Mordax
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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty2/23/2009, 12:45 pm

From the tail, I'd guess some sort of Vaejovid. I couldn't tell you anything more.

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Matt Kogler
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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty2/23/2009, 1:20 pm

Yeah I've got that far, I was hoping with the info on exactly where it was collected could help with a full ID... I take it many sub species overlap ranges?

Noticing your screen name I thought you'd like this pic..

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This was collected in the same local, U. mordax...
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Androctonus
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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty2/23/2009, 1:45 pm

by the size of their tails i would hazard a guess at some sort of Vaejovidae... i will go check the scorpionfiles to see if i can find a match...
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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty2/23/2009, 2:10 pm

looks like a Vaejovis coahuilae ----> http://www.ub.ntnu.no/scorpion-files/v_coahuilae1.jpg
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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty2/23/2009, 2:25 pm

I think we need some clearer pics, it would help ALOT. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty2/23/2009, 3:25 pm

I'm not aware of a lot of subspecies of scorpions -- where the name goes Genus species subspecies, like Hadrurus arizonensis pallidus -- but Hoffimanus and Vaejovis are quite large genera.

Scorpio, I don't know if it would be that species considering the locale. I found those guys in west Texas.

Matt Kogler wrote:
Noticing your screen name I thought you'd like this pic..

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This was collected in the same local, U. mordax...

Yes. Yes I would. What a Face I didn't know U. mordax was found that far south.

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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty2/23/2009, 3:57 pm

*rolls eyes*

dont get him going on the u.mordax again!!!! he eats, breathes and sleeps them!
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Matt Kogler
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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty2/23/2009, 4:13 pm

I made a big mistake, it is A. pococki I was just corrected on another forum, so its not U. mordax..Sry..

And as far as closer pics, this is as good as I can get. It is about 3/4 of an inch long and my camera doesnt zoom any more.. (I cropped down to get these..)
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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty2/23/2009, 4:19 pm

Matt Kogler wrote:
I made a big mistake, it is A. pococki I was just corrected on another forum, so its not U. mordax..Sry..

No worries, they're pretty similar genera. At least this explains why it was found so far south.

Sorry I can't provide any more information on the Vaejovids.

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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty2/23/2009, 9:03 pm

Heres a couple new macro shots...

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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty2/28/2009, 9:03 am

this is d closest i can come up with..
Paruroctonus gracilior - "Paruroctonus thus
currently includes 29 species and 4 subspecies, all fossorial and most
psammophilous, inhabiting sand dune systems throughout the deserts of the
western USA and northwestern Mexico. Some, e.g. P. gracilior, prefer
packed sandy soils and even rocky or gravelly habitats. The dune systems of
Chihuahua and Coahuila have not been well sampled and new Paruroctonus
species may occur there."
link

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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty3/26/2009, 3:06 am

No its not a P. Gracilior hence the laymen name Chihuahuan Slendertailed Scorpion the one in his picture has a much wider tail then that of a slender tail. my guess is a Centruroides vittatus but I'm probably very wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty3/26/2009, 3:11 am

Centruroides sculpturatus is also another educated guess.
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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty3/26/2009, 3:12 am

Those aren't buthids; we've narrowed it down to vaejovids long ago.

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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty3/26/2009, 4:28 am

heck this site out you it might help
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/eycb/scorpions/Gafrique.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Scorp ID needed   Scorp ID needed Empty7/21/2009, 7:10 pm

You got A. pococki right.

Your other specimens look to be (and coincide in regards to locality) Serradigitus g. gertschi.
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