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PostSubject: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/26/2008, 9:01 am

Got this at the local pet store earlier today. Has anyone had experience with such terrarium substrate?

According to the printings on the back, it's :
1) 100% natural fir bark
2) Controls air humidity levels
3) Hygroscopic, readily absorbs and releases moisture
4) Perfect for humidity-loving reptiles
5) Stimulates natural digging and burrowing behavior
6) Absorbs waste
7) Decorative

I'll be getting 5 Het. scorplings on Thursday. =)
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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/26/2008, 10:36 am

Bark isn't good -- it won't support a burrow and it's hard for scorps to burrow in it in the first place. Anything fir-related isn't good either, as it contains chemicals harmful to arthropods (that's why cedar chests are so popular at preventing clothing moths).

The best stuff you can get for forest scorpions is coco fiber or peat (or a mix of both). Coco fiber comes in expandable bricks from a lot of pet stores.

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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/26/2008, 11:16 am

man, that does suck. =(

i thought it would be good since it controls humidity well. oh well, i was wrong. =(
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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/26/2008, 11:26 am

I had my imperial on orchid bark. Had no problems. Scorpion was even comfortable to give birth! But cant bury etc. Now got some coco husk (same as coco fiber) and its like soil.
Its not hard to pour and mist a tank with water when it needs it.

If you really wanted to maintain humidity then have a false bottom set up

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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/26/2008, 11:31 am

We all learn. I had giant millipedes on that stuff before I discovered coco fiber.

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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/26/2008, 11:38 am

the only thing...I need my coco to dry out! I had it all wet! but now I know half and half to let them pick what side. It just looks COLD in the tank with this wet stuff!
Also...I dont think the heat mats are giving enough heat though the glass but...will discuss that in my own thread and not someone elses..

Orchid bark in my eyes IS ok...but not as good as being as realisitic as possibly for the scorpy

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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/26/2008, 11:42 am

Well, stupid me for getting the forest bark and now i cant get a refund or transfer because that particular pet store does not have coco fiber/peat moss.. =/

can i use potting soil/ jungle soil(same brand as forest bark)?
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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/26/2008, 11:54 am

You are not stupid. If you are owning the scorpion, put it on that for now. Dont worry about it. If its a brand that is said to be for the scorpion then use it until you can get some of this other stuff. Ive haad my scorpion (did have a male but he died before she gave birth) for nearly a year on orchid bark! no ill effects! they just couldnt make burrows.

When I bought my scorpions the orchid bark came in the "set up kit" so I wasnt educated up on what is "best" and "more natural"

Dont worry about it ok
http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/plantation_soil.php is what I have and ive just looked at what you have and seriously, dont stress. It will all be ok

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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/26/2008, 12:19 pm

hehe thanks for ur assurance but looking at this ' Anything fir-related isn't good either, as it contains chemicals harmful to arthropods ' causes my worry. =/

in my country, Malaysia, so far(maybe i've not done enough hunting), I only found forest bark and jungle earth from Exo Terra.
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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/26/2008, 1:19 pm

I dont know if you can order off the link I posted. If not look on amazon, im sure you can order it online

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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/26/2008, 1:52 pm

never heard of junge soil but that sounds about right. Dont worry I made that same mistake with my emperors. The wonderful thing about these guys is their ability to withstand many enviroments but if you want the spinifer to live a full healthy life I would just spend a little extra money getting the soil. Or you can even get some soil from home depot a lot cheaper and works fine. But you have to make sure it's pesticide free.
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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/26/2008, 10:27 pm

Soil is fine as long as it is free of pesticides, and if possible, free of fertilizers.

You can also get soil from outside and just bake it in the oven to kill any parasites that may be living in it.

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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/26/2008, 11:09 pm

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never heard of junge soil but that sounds about right. Dont worry I made that same mistake with my emperors. The wonderful thing about these guys is their ability to withstand many enviroments but if you want the spinifer to live a full healthy life I would just spend a little extra money getting the soil. Or you can even get some soil from home depot a lot cheaper and works fine. But you have to make sure it's pesticide free.
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lol, now i only have the forest bark and its way more expensive than soil.. i have 1 pack, could i finish it up before buying soil?
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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/27/2008, 9:29 am

When I first started keeping inverts I had a big bag of bark left over from my water dragons so I figured why not. At one point or another I've had a Pandinus cavimanus, a Grammastola rosea, 2 Archispirostrepus gigas, and some G portentosa on the stuff. Terrible for all of them but none really minded except the scorpion and the millipedes. I think the tarantula liked it... Don't use it for them either though.
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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/27/2008, 1:06 pm

finish the pack you have and then get the soil okies. dont worry. I doubt your scorpion is about to drop down dead

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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/28/2008, 12:58 am

Andrew273 wrote:
When I first started keeping inverts I had a big bag of bark left over from my water dragons so I figured why not. At one point or another I've had a Pandinus cavimanus, a Grammastola rosea, 2 Archispirostrepus gigas, and some G portentosa on the stuff. Terrible for all of them but none really minded except the scorpion and the millipedes. I think the tarantula liked it... Don't use it for them either though.

why do you say it's terrible? mind to elaborate more? thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/28/2008, 1:22 pm

i dont know what he means by terrible but seriously, dont worry ok. Your scorpion isnt going to drop down dead okies. I used to really really worry and couldnt afford to buy the plantation soil for a long while and then when I could I couldnt change the substrate.

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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/29/2008, 8:42 am

hehe, thanks. the bark seems to big for my babies. one piece of bark is the size of my baby. so i got some soil instead. lewl =p
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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/29/2008, 11:17 am

Im glad you have the soil now Smile Do you feel better now Smile I know what its like to worry! Im a serial worrier!
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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/29/2008, 12:20 pm

I've seen the soil that you are talking about and it looks like cocofiber mixed with something else. I'm sure you scorp will be happy with it.
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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/29/2008, 12:37 pm

=)) im not using the jungle soil, i got some soil from those my father used for his garden. they hold humidity pretty well. not sure what kind of soil it is but it seems pretty good.

p.s. i got stung! aha
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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/29/2008, 1:10 pm

wow that sucks you got tagged. How were the effects? You might want to be careful with the soil. Some of them have pesticides and other harmful chemicals that will kill your scorp. I know there were a couple threads on AB about it. You might want to search for them.

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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/29/2008, 1:35 pm

ouchie! how did you manage to get tagged?
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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   2/29/2008, 2:32 pm

Post a sting report! Post a sting report! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Forest Bark from ExoTerra for Het. Spinifers?   3/1/2008, 2:20 am

The soil I'm using from the garden has no pesticides, my dad used compost fertilizer though a month ago,will there be any side effects on my scorpions? it's derived from natural animal waste afterall right?

p.s. will do the sting report now. =p
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