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PostSubject: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/27/2009, 8:42 pm

That is a land creature?
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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/27/2009, 8:44 pm

iunno... invertibrate? reptile? what? spoze maybee a black mamba or brown recluse?
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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/27/2009, 9:23 pm

I wouldn't put a recluse as more toxic. Maybe wandering spiders? Large snakes like a Momba or a King Cobra. I don't have a chart in front of me so I'm not sure.

I would kill for this scorpion (Hemiscorpius lepturus). Check out the damage in the photos on this page: http://www.arachnodata.ch/projects.htm
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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/27/2009, 9:30 pm

I thought snakes only seemed more toxic since they inject far greater amounts.

I am talking drop for drop.
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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/27/2009, 9:52 pm

Drop for drop... Okay after checking the charts

Crotalus scutulatus
Naja naja

They're the only land animals I can find. LQs lowest LD value is .25, the Mojave rattler is .23 and the King cobra is .13.

Okay another chart lists a ton of snakes with the Oxyuranus microlepidotus (Inland Taipan) as .025.

Snakes are hardcore.
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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/27/2009, 9:57 pm

damnzzz

But who knows if they're intramuscular, piretonial, venous, or cutenaus

And I seen .16 for LQ
and .13 for some other scorpion
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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/27/2009, 10:15 pm

The last one is subcutenous.
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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/27/2009, 10:47 pm

I don't even know what it means, lulz.
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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/27/2009, 10:57 pm

Under the skin. Like a bite.
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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/28/2009, 12:12 pm

Aren't some Latrodectus more potent, drop for drop? They inject tiny amounts and are still potentially fatal.

And if I lived somewhere where an elephant might step on me on accident, I'd want pretty damn powerful venom too!!

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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/29/2009, 7:43 am

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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/29/2009, 9:30 am

What is the most toxic scorpions ?
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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/29/2009, 9:40 am

talrusan wrote:
What is the most toxic scorpions ?

most people say Hemiscorpius lepturus, haven't tried it by myself... Wink
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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/29/2009, 11:39 am

Most toxic scorpion in terms of venom potency is the deathstalker, Leiurus quinquestriatus. In terms of human fatalities, it's the southern fattail, Androctonus australis.

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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/29/2009, 12:37 pm

But you cant use LD50 values anyway.. you shouldnt count on them or use them in anway..

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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/29/2009, 12:54 pm

It's all we have.
And when it comes to these big gaps in numbers the difference is valid.
Isn't it? .17 to .023 more value then a jump from .16 to .75


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PostSubject: Re: What creature is more toxic then a scorpion?   1/29/2009, 1:23 pm

Yeah, it's pretty useful for ballpark estimates. I wouldn't conclusively say "it will take X milliliters of venom injected into my (skin, muscle, vein) to have a 50% likelihood of killing me," but looking at the numbers are good for making rough comparisons between venoms.

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