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PostSubject: Interesting observation regarding emps and death   1/22/2009, 2:06 am

Until recently I had four subadult emperor scorpions. Three are siblings, one is from a different bloodline (don't know which is which). The total was three males and one female.

All four would hide under the water dish together.

A few days ago, I saw one sitting at the far end of the tank for two consecutive days, as if the others had "kicked it out" of the communal burrow. I provided it its own hide and called it good.

Yesterday I took it to campus for an outreach, since it was the most easily accessible "large" scorpion in my collection. It was exposed to cold temperatures for about 20 minutes, but it was protected from wind and emps are known for being tough enough to not be bothered by such brief exposures.

It was sluggish when it got to campus, though it perked up a bit when brought in to warm temperatures. It was then found dead this afternoon. I don't recall if it seemed sluggish when I took it out of the communal tank, but it easily could have and I may not have noticed it.

So scorpions kick out their tankmate, and four-ish days later it's dead.

Has anyone else observed this? It reminds me a bit of those ants that will exile colony members infected with entomopathogenic fungi so they don't bring down the entire colony.

On the downside, I believe this may have been my only female; when my boys mature I'll have to get a few girls. (Which of course sucks because I wanted to do some captive breeding without getting more WC stock.)

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PostSubject: Re: Interesting observation regarding emps and death   1/22/2009, 4:12 am

i have seen this before. before all the "deaths" on the 4th Jan. around xmas I noticed a 4I pandinus imperator outside the hide. the night before it wasnt there. In the morning legs curled under. I left it a day and by the next morning 100% dead.

The other night...after the revival of those pandinus! the miracle I had. they were all huddled together. The other day one was away from the group. Looked this morning and I think it is dead.
I DO think they kick out dying ones. Maybe to be "clean" or maybe they fear dying and catching if the dying one has something
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting observation regarding emps and death   1/22/2009, 11:56 am

Interesting, then . . . perhaps some more observations should be taken down.

Anyone else?

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PostSubject: Re: Interesting observation regarding emps and death   1/22/2009, 3:47 pm

i noticed this too when i had my first Emp death, i found her all alone so i figured she may have been gravid, separated her and about a week later she was dead. also i have found emps living in the same burrow as a stinky old emp corpse.
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting observation regarding emps and death   1/22/2009, 6:09 pm

Oooh, very interesting. I dont have enough scorps to have witnessed it... and non kept communally. All my baby emps were kept seperately. Poor thing though.
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting observation regarding emps and death   1/22/2009, 8:57 pm

Mr. Mordax wrote:
Interesting, then . . . perhaps some more observations should be taken down.

Anyone else?
Ive noticed them out in the open or seperate from the group sometimes but never seen them get kicked out of a hide before.
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting observation regarding emps and death   1/23/2009, 1:54 am

Maybe "kicked out" isn't the right way to put it . . . I never saw any exclusion, just being out in the open away from hides like you describe.

Still, an interesting note.

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