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PostSubject: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:06 pm

Lisa said they wouldn't last two weeks, Lee said they are fine but play it by air. Got one tub to separate them but this morning when i went in to do my daily check, i found that the youngest unsexed one had been ripped apart!!! Had tp learn the hard way......

No the male and female are separated and looking at the underside of the female i see what appear to be white blobs?? Could she be.....

....maybe thats why she took apart her tank mate...hormonal!?
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:16 pm

They have quite thick membranes so if she is pregnant you wont know for quite some time. they have a gestation of 18-20 months. and I dont think you would be able to see them from the underside? Even when days off dropping the young you couldn't see white blobs in my female... she just looked over fed!

If memory serves me correctly I dont think the female looked big enough to be mature, but it was a couple of weeks ago and i have slept since then lol.

Really sorry to hear about the loss it is a shame Sad they are great looking flatrocks.
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:20 pm

these are distinct white blobs on her underside, she's not that bulky really apart from her last meal. i'd take a picture but my camera's really whack! Think the flash is gone
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:21 pm

in between the belly plates?
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:22 pm

yeah and they're clearly white.. cant see it from the sides though only the bottom
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:25 pm

hmm... I suppose it's possible.

If she is then you have dropped yourself in at the deep end for rearing scorplings.... these are some of the hardest to raise! Not impossible though Smile

I have my fingers crossed for you and by all means give me a shout if you need help Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:29 pm

Ok if i can somehow get a decent pic i'll post it up, know i can trust you for good advice. Always been concerned about dry kept species dont them and their young have molting problems?
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:38 pm

Are you sure those white blobs aren't her booklungs?

Just thought I'd throw that out there . . .

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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:43 pm

saw four or five, maybe more... dont know what booklungs are? any photos?

Lisa: got your PM thanks i'll reply when i get to work Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:46 pm

I never had a problem personally but I have heard people have had problems with moulting.

If you stick to the advice that me and mike (& others) have said i.e. dry and spray one end occasionally so they have access to moisture if they need it you shouldn't have a problem. I dont think I ever spotted my female drinking when I did offer a water bowl. Once a month I used to offer a bowl for a couple of days.

I misted about every 2-3 weeks at one end of the tank and I did notice her laying in the damp end or had her body pressed against the droplets, presumably absorbing moisture. But she never seemed to actively seek out the water bowl. I saw similar behaviour with the scorplings

Anyway over the last few weeks there has been a lot of discussion about the H.paucidens so you cant go far wrong really Smile

And aaahhhh... book lungs, are the blobs in equal pairs?
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:49 pm

Just the two (lungs)?

Taking on board all the good advice! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:50 pm

click here for link

scorpion anatomy picture ^^^^

This website is also pretty good and a favourite of the scorpion community Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:53 pm

where are the book lungs? is there another name?

Great link Lisa!!


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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:56 pm

on the ventral side; the little slit like things called "spiracles".
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 4:59 pm

Ok thought so.... Not Spiricles these are seen though the membrane but i'll look again later just in case
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 5:16 pm

That picture doesn't show the booklungs very well -- just the spiracles. The spiracles are openings to the booklungs.

Here's a photo where you can see booklungs (two per segment) and embryos (most clear between the booklungs).


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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/19/2008, 5:23 pm

That may be what mines looks like, but i'll see when i get in..
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PostSubject: Re: Learnt the hard way after all the advice Hadogenes Paucidens NOT communal   12/20/2008, 6:42 am

im sorry it didnt work out and that one tank mate was eaten Sad
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