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PostSubject: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 5:49 pm

HELLO im new here, so please be nice pirat anywho My Hadogenes Paucidens gave birth on monday to a number of babies (i cant get a consistent count cos im speshal, maybe 27), this is my first scorpion birth so i have a couple of queries:
considering this is a desert species what should the humidity be like for the babies?
because this species is territorial when should the babies be seperated, cos of this species' territorial nature?
should the mother be eating for herself or feeding the babies?
a few weeks befor she popped i gave her cage a heavy misting (on a whim, immitating the natural rains), could this have triggered the birth?
pics are here (although i knew i shouldnt have disturbed i couldnt resist) http://photobucket.com/mrflibble (i dont know if this works soz if it doesnt) alien
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 5:54 pm

i dont know much about them exept they live FOREVER!!!(well...not quite forever).
i have never seen hadogenes babies before! post pics!
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 5:56 pm

ok, first of all leave her be for a week. stress = dead babies.

do not mist the tank. this is a desert species I belive and I'm sure they have babies at very low humidity levels. misting will just annoy the scorp.

and just a header, this species grows very slowly, so after the first moult, don't expect the next one for quite a while. don't offer her food at this time. you can seperate the babies after they moult to 2nd Instar.
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 6:05 pm

yes i know i am an idiot, but dont know how to get pics onto here directly like others have
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 6:11 pm

I dont know much about these scorpions since never owning them *soon, soon*
But I would just say for now, leave her alone. throw a towel over the tank and dont look!
give her a week and then check back
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 6:11 pm

your not an idiot dude, just click on the picture and down on the left hand side you will see a thing saying "direct link", copy and paste, but before the url put .



for example;



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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 6:25 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 6:26 pm

There you go!
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 6:32 pm

here are some more


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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 6:37 pm

those are some very awesome pictures! these could actually be handy for some people.
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 6:41 pm

in what way handy?
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 6:43 pm

just because it's such a detailed look at the operculum, birthing basket, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 6:45 pm

oh, go me!
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 6:47 pm

yay lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 6:48 pm

mrflibble wrote:
a few weeks befor she popped i gave her cage a heavy misting (on a whim, immitating the natural rains), could this have triggered the birth

you mean it just pop after u mist the tank heavilly?hmm....how heavy was it?[i mean the misting]
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 6:58 pm

pretty darn heavy, she was drinking the water off the sides despite having a water dish, plus she had been off her food for a while, but as was suggested earlier t'was not such a fabulous idea to do so. a few weeks after the misting, not instantly after
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 8:04 pm

mrflibble wrote:
HELLO im new here, so please be nice pirat
dont worry, everyone on here is nice and noob friendly.
how are you going to learn if you arent taught?
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 8:46 pm

OK so i don't believe there desert. there a mix of sand and soil, one half of the tank should be misted once in a while, Don't offer her food she'll could get stressed and eat the babies and I'm also going to warn you Ive heard its hard to raise these guys from scorplings, you should read LadyRiotControl's Tread In the breeding reports section.... I'll post a link.



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Hears the Link Read it over and you will have everything you need to know.
http://scorpionforum.darkbb.com/breeding-reports-f19/hadogenes-paucidens-t1164.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/29/2008, 8:57 pm

ok, thanks, that is useful stuff
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/30/2008, 1:30 am

Offer limited humidity -- keep it low, but do offer some.

Don't feed mom until the babies molt and come off her back. This could take several weeks (as has been said, this species is very slow-growing).

LadyRiotControl's success is NOT the norm with this species, so don't beat yourself up if some, many, or even all of them die. Someone sent me 11 second instars so long ago I forgot; 9 have died, and one has molted to third instar.

Oh, and DO separate the young. This species is not known for being communal.

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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/30/2008, 8:14 am

thanks everyone u have all been gr8 pirat
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/30/2008, 9:13 am

firstly congratulations with the birth.

I had great success with these but I have heard from so many people that they have lost nearly all of their babes by time they get to 2i/3i.

forgot to add to my breeding report and will update it. when i had seperated the babies into 3's in a tub. I misted them once a week at one end. they drank the droplets off the side if they were thirsty but usually get the majority of moisture from their food.

I truely hope you have great success with these and do keep a diary. these are so hard to rear that the information will be very useful to compare to provide some good sling husbandry advice and hopefully offer success to other breeders.
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/30/2008, 9:22 am

ok good to know, and i will be keeping a progress diary
why did you group them in threes and not individualy?
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PostSubject: Re: Hadogenes babies   11/30/2008, 4:57 pm

up until 2i they appear to prefer to have company. they all slept together under milk bottle lids and seemed to crave the company and security of numbers.

after a while one would start getting greedy out of the 3 so it was then moved to it's own enclosure to prevent it from eating its siblings. then as the next one in the tub got larger that was rehoused.

I couldn't find any breeding/rearing info on these many moons ago when mine gave birth so it was pretty much trial and error, keeping a close watch. but it worked for me using this method.

But a daily check of the babies once they are off mum and in their own tubs is essential so you can make a mental note of the 'greedy' ones. you may need to re house the odd one before 2i.

hope this all help you

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