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PostSubject: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 1:08 pm

Was actually pretty good!

Small hall jammed packed with some lovely specimens. There was a hybrid ornamental, the only one in the country because the egg sack somehow got squashed, cant remember the 2 species that were bred but it was absolutely beautiful, like a gold, silver n brown ornamental.
There was everything there, butterfly and moths... the really big ones!!!! all sorts of mantid, milipedes, land hermit crabs, loads of cockroaches... was spoiled for choice.

Think we will be doing a stall next year when we have all our stock.

Not bad prices either.

We came back with: -

Tarantula's
0.1.0 H.Lividum (dark colour phase)
0.0.2 B. Vagans
0.0.2 - Cant remember... only 2nd successful breeding in the country... will edit this later when we remember what they were lol
0.0.1 Ornithoctonus sp koh samui

Scorpions
0.0.2 H.Spinifer
0.0.3 E.Flavicaudis
1.1.0 Pseudo Hadogenes sp. <<< newly discovered and VERY RARE!

I was absolutly chuffed with the Hadogenes sp. They are like miniture flat rocks, these are adults and are barely 3" long. The claws on the female are insane! So I'm like a kid at christmas with these. And yes breeding these is top on the agenda.
The E.Flavicaudis are about 5mm - oh so tiny. And the H.spinifers we just given to me by a friend at the BTS. But he knows he's getting some back off us soon Smile

FEMALE Pseudo Hadogenes:-





MALE Pseudo Hadogenes:-


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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 1:13 pm

How did you sex those guys?

And YAY!!! for Euscorpius sp.!! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 1:31 pm

why couldnt you wait untill next years scorp hunt??? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 1:44 pm

Very nice scorps Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 2:34 pm

Man these are teeny tiny babies... I cant breed them for a few years now can I???
I will be getting some adults on the hunt.

As for the Hadogenes sp.... believe me they are VERY easy to sex... the females peds are longer than the males... by quite a margin.

It was funny coz I asked the guy if he knew the sexes and he said he didn't know how to sex them. I opened these two, the female was a touch larger and you couldn't miss the difference in the peds. But experience with Hadogenes sp in general was useful.
I will get some better pictures tomorrow and post them in the sexing section.
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 3:06 pm

awesomeness!!!! that hadogens is crazy!
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 3:08 pm

Are you sure those are even Hadogenes sp.? They look a lot more like Isometrus.

The Hadogenes genus is typically sexed by the size of the metasoma, with males being much larger (in addition to pectine size, but that requires flipping the specimen over).

In genera where the pedipalps are useful in sexing, it's typically the males that have the enlarged chela . . . scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 4:16 pm

Well the guy assures me that they were a new african species (tarantulabarn stall) and new to the trade. He is really well connected so I have little reason to doubt him and his african collector/exporter

I recall my female H.Paucadins having the larger (longer) peds, longer body and small tail in comparison to the male. the males tail was extremely long and a more stumpy body. And these look to be similar traits in these pseudo hadogenes.

I will have a double check tomorrow with the camera but I got a glimps of the 'female' and the pectines were unbelievably small... As in had to double look to see them! However she is extremely aggressive so put her back pretty sharpish!!!!

They're defo not isometrus... the whole tail end structure is far to small for it to be a buthid, in fact the tail end looks rather pitiful in comparison to the scorpion size lol! Tell you what it does remind me of.... a troglodytes that has shrunk!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 4:25 pm

you {censored} i new i should have gone
damn you and your E.flavis
i know where you live they will be mine
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 4:35 pm

Wait, wait -- I had a brain fart. I MEANT to say Iomachus, not Isometrus. Embarassed

The point I'm getting at is that your male has such a tiny metasoma I can't see it being a Hadogenes sp.

Iomachus:
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 4:35 pm

how did the seller get a hold of the E. flav?
i too also thought male had the longer chela, such as in longimanus the male has the long long chela...
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 4:38 pm

I have a female I Politus. Im after a male to do some breeding. She has already had a brood but that was at the shop. hmmm I should ask if they have the brood still but I would rather get an outside male

Anyhoo thats my input on the Iomachus

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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 4:44 pm

they were prbably wild caught
i dont think i know anyone in europe that sells them lmao so i am amazed
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 4:49 pm

I may have had a brain fart too then lol... it's been a few years since i had them and i have lost nearly all the pictures i had of them, just going on my senile memory lol.

It says on the box... pseudo Hadogenus... not hadogenes i do apologise (been a long day)
Does that make any difference at all?

Looking at those pictures i will stand corrected and inclined to agree they are Iomachus sp. And i have got it the wrong way around (man they have tiny pectines then lol)
Only difference is that the peds on mine appear to be a lot smoother than the iomachus politus.

Feel a total plonker now
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 4:52 pm

To me, they look like I Politus.
To ME!...I might be wrong but I have no idea what this thing on the box is meant to mean...infact it seems pretty made up because these are not...NEW to the trade really. Kinda rare but not new to it.
Also known as the Long claw.
I bought in mistake my I Politus thinking it was a longimanus scorpling since in the shop they only use terms like "long claw, cave claw, african black scorpion, banded flat rock etc etc".... I didnt look in the shop at the time and then had a shock when I got home! hahaha
I thought the "long claw" would be a refrence to longimanus ....anyhoo!
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 5:05 pm

Both Iomachus and Hadogenes are in the same family, so it's possibly for there to be some confusion.

However, there is no genus Pseudohadogenes, or anything similar. You say they were labeled as "Pseudo Hadogenes"? Perhaps the dealer meant that as they were similar to flatrocks, but not members of the genus.

I'm not blaming you for anything, by the way. Just the dealer. Smile I once thought I had an H. toglodytes simply because something was labeled as "flat rock scorpion."

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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 5:14 pm

the E.flavicaudis are barely 4-5mm long and still pretty white in colour. and they had about 50 of them. so i recon someone somewhere is breeding them.

Hopefully us lot next year as well Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 5:41 pm

Lisa i hate you so much right now
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   9/28/2008, 5:45 pm

Should have come then lmao!
Are you going to Newark in december?
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   1/24/2009, 11:53 am

Hello everyone, thought it was time i joined, anyways, these Little beuties came from one of my friends in Spain, he runs Crocodile Park, he also has animal interests in Africa, Koln and France. When i saw them we debated which species they were for many hours, he did say that one of his aquatances thiught thet they were definately Pseudo Hadogenus, i also contacted the Bts and spoke to a freind there and they thought they were the same, however, if anyone thinks they are not and can identify them brilliant, i would realy like to know if i have got the wrong ID on them. If it helps they were found near the Kruger Park which is where he has a farm

Thought i would pass these pics onto you as well, i was feeding my collection today and found that one of them has had babies
i have placed a penny in there to compare sizes





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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   1/24/2009, 12:29 pm

As Mr. Mordax has already stated there is no such genus like Pseudohadogenes.
In my opinion it's an Iomachus sp., probably I. politus, although they aren't reported from RSA yet. The sexual dimorphism in the pedipalps is typical for the genus and they are easy to sex that way. Males do have elongated pedipalps whereas females have shorter ones. The dimorphism can be seen on the pics in the first post. The first three pics show a male and the other two pics show a female.
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   1/24/2009, 1:37 pm

twas about to say the same Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   1/24/2009, 4:59 pm

Steve i am soooo glad you have come on the forum Smile pm on the way.

Me and connie compared our pictures and these look identical to her i.politus. If not politus then defo iomachus species.
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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   2/7/2009, 3:43 pm

Feeding today and another 2 with babies



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PostSubject: Re: Leeds Entomology Fair   2/15/2009, 11:03 am

The babies started leaving mum today, what a nightmare seperating them into individual pots











I got 42 off the first mum and have 5 others carrying
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