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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 2/12/2008, 4:02 pm | |
| I've seen this Question a hundred times and without in depth research I would conclude that UV is harmful, for the simple fact that UV is damaging to humans. But that is not good enough, I did some research and put together this post to discuss the topic of UV and scorps. Feel free to add your insight and observations. Below is mine. ******************************************** From Wiki-pedia I came up with a break down of the electromagnetic spectrum... UV is divided into 3 ranges Near (400 nm - 200 nm), Far (200 nm - 10 nm), and Extreme (31 nm - 1 nm) Ultraviolet. Then subdivided, between Near and Far you have UVA (400 nm - 320 nm), UVB (320 nm - 280 nm) & UVC (Below 280 nm). UVA is a longwave UV and typically produced by the 'black light' lightbulb (party bulb) and is generally considered the safest to humans. UVB and UVC can cause DNA damage. UVA is capable of causing damage to collagen fibers. Below are excerpt scans from "The Biology of Scorpion" edited by Gary A Polis, which detail how intricate and delicate the scorpions eyes are, just one feature of the scorpion exposed to UV.   So if overexposure to UVA can cause sunburn, cell damage, in a human it can cause cell damage in a scorpion. What wavelength is your UV bulb or flashlight? I know I reflected my UV flashlight into my eyes and had a mild eye burn, from less than a second of exposure. So just be mindful when using blacklight on your scorps... |
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~Abyss~ Administrator

Number of posts: 5068 Age: 23 Location: Los Angeles Cali. Registration date: 2008-02-05
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 2/12/2008, 4:10 pm | |
| I agree with your tought but there is a slight question that came to mind just now. How is it that roaches and scorpion would be able to survive high intensities of radiation such a nuclear bomb and not be able to handle uv light? Is it just because it's long use that would cause any problems. -Eddy |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 2/12/2008, 4:14 pm | |
| Radiation exposure, though survivable by these guys, does not necessarily mean cellularly unaltered mutated DNA. That is my thought on it, I'm gonna hit Google to see if any thing quotable comes up. |
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Mr. Mordax Administrator

Number of posts: 7741 Age: 26 Location: PNW Registration date: 2008-02-06
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 2/12/2008, 4:25 pm | |
| From my knowledge of biochemistry, it's a wavelength of 253.7 nanometers that causes thymine dimers (damage to DNA). Based on this, I would not suspect that a regular UV flashlight has the capacity to cause significant harm to any organism other than mild discomfort.
The blacklight flashlight I use has peak emmision of 390 nanometers, which is barely into the UV spectrum at all. _________________ If your emperor scorpion stops eating, don't panic. | My reviews | My Bug Pictures | My blog Be nice -- you were a noob once, too "Never ask an engineer to explain something, because he will." |
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Venom Leiurus

Number of posts: 2820 Age: 22 Location: Chicago Registration date: 2008-02-05
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 2/12/2008, 6:09 pm | |
| Roaches died when hit with 100,000 rads of radiactivity on mythbusters |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 2/13/2008, 6:05 pm | |
| | Thaedion wrote: | | Radiation exposure, though survivable by these guys, does not necessarily mean cellularly unaltered mutated DNA. That is my thought on it, I'm gonna hit Google to see if any thing quotable comes up. |
As copied from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockroach
It is popularly suggested that cockroaches will "inherit the earth" if humanity destroys itself in a nuclear war. Cockroaches do indeed have a much higher radiation resistance than vertebrates, with the lethal dose perhaps 6 to 15 times that for humans. However, they are not exceptionally radiation-resistant compared to other insects, such as the fruit fly . The MythBusters of Discovery Channel had tested this popular belief in an episode aired on January 30, 2008, and had confirmed that fruit flies do indeed have a higher resistance to radiation than cockroaches.
The cockroach's ability to withstand radiation better than human beings can be explained in terms of the cell cycle. Cells are more vulnerable to effects of radiation when they are dividing. A cockroach's cells divide only once when in its molting cycle, which at most happens weekly in a juvenile roach. The cells of the cockroach take roughly 48 hours to complete a molting cycle, which would give time enough for radiation to affect it but not all cockroaches would be molting at the same time. This would mean some would be unaffected by the initial radiation and thus survive, at least until the fallout arrived. |
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Kejser Administrator

Number of posts: 1357 Age: 25 Location: Denmark Registration date: 2008-02-06
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 2/14/2008, 12:43 am | |
| i will find my Jan Ove Rien quote again then  |
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Athlon2k2 Tityus

Number of posts: 619 Age: 28 Location: Chandler, AZ Registration date: 2008-02-06
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 2/14/2008, 2:07 pm | |
| From the research kindly provided. I would have to concur the "you just shouldn't do it" idea of keeping continuous UV light on your inverts. |
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Mr. Mordax Administrator

Number of posts: 7741 Age: 26 Location: PNW Registration date: 2008-02-06
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 2/14/2008, 4:52 pm | |
| Continuous, I agree -- but I see no harm in the occasional display for visitors or checking on scorps nocturnally. _________________ If your emperor scorpion stops eating, don't panic. | My reviews | My Bug Pictures | My blog Be nice -- you were a noob once, too "Never ask an engineer to explain something, because he will." |
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Rasputin Parabuthus
Number of posts: 1052 Age: 29 Registration date: 2008-03-12
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 3/12/2008, 9:44 pm | |
| I had a hard time explaining this to someone on the Venomlist |
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Mr. Mordax Administrator

Number of posts: 7741 Age: 26 Location: PNW Registration date: 2008-02-06
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 3/12/2008, 11:18 pm | |
| Which part? _________________ If your emperor scorpion stops eating, don't panic. | My reviews | My Bug Pictures | My blog Be nice -- you were a noob once, too "Never ask an engineer to explain something, because he will." |
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Rasputin Parabuthus
Number of posts: 1052 Age: 29 Registration date: 2008-03-12
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 3/13/2008, 8:07 am | |
| | IHeartMantids wrote: | | Which part? |
how blacklight is bad, bad for any living thing. it's ok for a picture here and there and for a hunting tool but it breaks down everything, even plastics. |
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Mr. Mordax Administrator

Number of posts: 7741 Age: 26 Location: PNW Registration date: 2008-02-06
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 3/13/2008, 8:42 am | |
| That's why shallow UV is so great -- virtually harmless, but you still get the fluorescent effect.
Deep UV is the scary stuff. I did an environmental design competition and we were using deep UV to destroy bacteria -- we had to get quartz pipes so it wouldn't break them down or get absorbed, and we always had to keep the lamp covered to avoid giving ourselves skin cancer. _________________ If your emperor scorpion stops eating, don't panic. | My reviews | My Bug Pictures | My blog Be nice -- you were a noob once, too "Never ask an engineer to explain something, because he will." |
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Rasputin Parabuthus
Number of posts: 1052 Age: 29 Registration date: 2008-03-12
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 3/13/2008, 8:47 am | |
| | IHeartMantids wrote: | That's why shallow UV is so great -- virtually harmless, but you still get the fluorescent effect.
Deep UV is the scary stuff. I did an environmental design competition and we were using deep UV to destroy bacteria -- we had to get quartz pipes so it wouldn't break them down or get absorbed, and we always had to keep the lamp covered to avoid giving ourselves skin cancer. |
we use long wave as a form of sterilization in the body mod industry, but still short wave is harmful to anything. a good way to explain it is that it cuts down the half life of plastics and if it does that then what does it do to organic matter. that's the thing with engineers, they design stuff (usually on napkins at the pub) but it's us technicians that make it work and turn the theory into reality. |
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spikexspiegel Pandinus

Number of posts: 41 Age: 25 Location: Ontario Registration date: 2008-05-17
 | Subject: Re: Is UV light harmful to Scorpions? 5/21/2008, 9:03 pm | |
| Speaking on blacklights i found a heat bulb that is not UVA/UVB but still gives the scorp and nice green colour. It's called a night glow and it is made by exo-terra. So if you want to run heat and make your scorp look cool then get one of these, they are fantastic.
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