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PostSubject: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 4:52 am

(continued from thread below) I went to check on him this morning and he was on his back javascript:emoticonp('Sad') Thought he was dead so i waited till tonight to give him a proper burial. When i went to pick him up, he moved. He's still alive! Makes me sick to think that he is suffering!!! I flipped him over, but he's dying for sure. Is there a humane way to end his suffering? Don't even know if i could do it? No one will probably get this till tomorrow javascript:emoticonp('Crying or Very sad') Hate to think he's in pain or something! Don't know what to do?
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 5:04 am

freeze or rig some sort of Co2 chamber
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 5:12 am

I was trying to search some threads about death, and i see that some of them "fake death"? WTF! These things are crazy, LOL! Do you think he's faking? Should i just leave him till he doesn't move. Don't want him to suffer!!! How do you know?
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 5:22 am

they can fake it but iv never seen a scorp go on its back when its not dying.
dont take any action just yet wait till a few more of the guys appear later on
as they have a lot more experience with scorp death etc
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 6:57 am

Yeah, just read a thread where i believe he said it was on it's back and then flipped over and ran around after he "poked" it. Unfortunately mine isn't running around after i flipped it over. I'm pretty sure he's a done. Anyway, thanks for your help. I'll wait for some more advice. Just don't want him to suffer, but i don't want to put him in the freezer if he's ok? So sad for him! I'm freakin' "mushy" when it comes to animals.
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 9:57 am

Wait a few days. I still have my telsonless scorpion in the tank...ok...its pretty obvious the little one is dead now...but you gotta make sure.
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 4:52 pm

CO2 chamber?

Lol!
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 5:28 pm

yeah man why not, its possible
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 5:28 pm

sledge hammer.
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 5:36 pm

sledge hammer isnt exactly humane callum lol
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 6:08 pm

how? it's quick. Razz


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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 6:22 pm

LMAO!!!!!!!!
trust me the authorities will not allow it
well actually they might with inverts, but the standard for vertebrates is Co2 then break there neck aswell, well it is for test animals anyway
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 7:56 pm

Scorpions won't be affected by a CO2 chamber
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 8:22 pm

So i check on him today and he's on his back again, legs and tail movin' all around. That's what makes it look like he's suffering. Anyway, i flipped him over and got him to lay upright. Since i don't really know what to do, i spritzed him with water. I've been spritzing the soil and a little piece of moss to try to keep it humid, but i never sprayed him directly. Now he's a little wet, he is staying upright and calm (not legs flailing and kinda curled up on his side/back) His tail is in the air and he's just chillin' under his hideout. Seem a little better for now. I'm sure he'll be on his back again when i get home from work, (hope not!) but maybe he's dehydrated? Should you ever spray them directly? Keep him a little moist for a while. When i sprayed him, his little mouth (i'm sure there is a technical term for it, sorry!) opened and looked like he was drinking it. My imagination? He's does have a little water bowl. Guess we'll see in the morning when i get home.

If he doesn't get better, is freezing humane? Although a sledge hammer does seem quick, i'm a *edit* and don't know if i can hammer him. Guess i gotta do what i gotta do. Seem like he'd just go to sleep in the freezer/refrigerator? Not sure how to make a CO2 chamber? As always, thanks for any advice!


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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 8:28 pm

You can try an ICU to see if he can pull through but it sounds like he's a goner best thing to do is just let him die. But if you wanna try an ICU get a delicup and poke a few holes for vent and some moist paper towels and bump up the temps to 90-95F.
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/19/2008, 8:56 pm

Just checked him before i leave for work, he's kinda' on his side again in the corner. Poor "Monty"!
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/20/2008, 3:55 am

I would say dont spray him as that could be stressing him more but dont spray and mist... POUR water onto the substrate. SOAK it and bump those temps up so its a nice humid house for him!
Just wait and see. You never know, he might actually pull though
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/20/2008, 8:26 am

doesnt sound like when mine died, put it in a box and it flexed its tail once and died.
i wouldnt put it in the freezer yet, sounds like he could live.
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PostSubject: Re: He's dying! Humane death?   9/20/2008, 1:09 pm

About the whole "suffering" tihng -- scorps are so primitive that there really isn't any issue of pain or suffering. They just sort of wind down. I had a female emp who took about six months to die, and it was like someone was turning down some internal dial the whole time until it hit zero.

Putting any cold-blooded animal into a freezer does essentially the same thing (but faster). It just slows down their metabolism until it stops completely.

But because some scorps can take so long for that to happen, or can turn out to be fine, I'd just leave it in a normal emp setup and just see what happens. (Keep in mind a lot of species are good at playing dead.)

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