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PostSubject: give us a hand here   9/3/2008, 7:16 am



ok so i originally thought this was probably
B.Jacksoni, but apparently the guy who found it, got it on his travels to asia, if this is true it cant be B.Jacksoni
so i was wondering if you guys had any ideas
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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   9/3/2008, 9:05 am

Hmm need some better and clear pictures..

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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   9/3/2008, 9:07 am

To me it still looks like a dirty B jack..but im probly wrong...picture isnt the best either
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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   9/3/2008, 9:33 am

i know but they aint giving any more pictures unfortunately
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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   9/3/2008, 9:42 am

nymphetaminion wrote:
To me it still looks like a dirty B jack..but im probly wrong...picture isnt the best either

Look at the Metasoma it cant be a B.jacksoni.. and if he found it in asia ? it really really cant be a B.jacksoni

If we got a more specific location it whould help alot.. it looks like a hottentotta sp. but it chould easily but alot orthers.. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   9/3/2008, 10:18 am

the guy who has got it is from England so should he have it?
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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   9/3/2008, 10:30 am

oh jordan apparently the guy who got it orks for a zoo so they have it, the guy that posted is his friend apparently they dont knw what it is, but it still seems suspicious to me, i wouldnt be surprised if it was not found in asia at all.

But if he was just a keeper he wouldnt be allowed it without a DWA im sure of that lol
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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   9/3/2008, 11:35 am

awww. can't see the pic.
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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   9/3/2008, 12:01 pm

Doesn't really look like a B. jacksoni to me. From what I can see, it doesn't have a subaculear tooth/tubercule on it's telson.
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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   9/3/2008, 12:06 pm

Kejser wrote:
nymphetaminion wrote:
To me it still looks like a dirty B jack..but im probly wrong...picture isnt the best either

Look at the Metasoma it cant be a B.jacksoni.. and if he found it in asia ? it really really cant be a B.jacksoni

If we got a more specific location it whould help alot.. it looks like a hottentotta sp. but it chould easily but alot orthers.. Very Happy

i know it can't be B jack...it just looks like one from the colours...it could be lots of things...the pics aren't the best!
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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   9/3/2008, 1:41 pm

Definatly NOT b.jack...but its hard to tell without a better picture. If I had to guess....hottentota species?
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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   9/3/2008, 3:09 pm

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Definatly NOT b.jack...but its hard to tell without a better picture. If I had to guess....hottentota species?

Just what iam thinking mate, that metasoma looks really Hottentotta like.. but what sp it is..?? its hard to tell Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   9/3/2008, 4:32 pm

ok well he was studying King Cobras so that doesnt relly help too much they have a pretty big range from south-eastern Asia and into India,
but i think most people go to india to study King Cobras so that sort of narrows it down a little
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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   10/24/2008, 7:11 pm

If I had to guess, I'd say Androctonus based on that picture. Obviously a better picture will give us a better chance.

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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   10/24/2008, 7:22 pm

i dont think it is mate, this scorp was found in india i think and i can only think of one species of Androctonus in india and that A.finitimus, i think there may be a few mor Androctonus species in india but i cant remember
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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   10/24/2008, 8:02 pm

How's your French? I have Lourenco's paper describing Androctonus maelfaiti from India. About the only thing that applies to your picture is that it is a "reddish-brown" species. Obviously you'll need to post better pictures if I am to evaluate it. Alternately, I could send you the paper if you can read French and assuming you still have the specimen in-hand.

Alternately, we could approach it in a purely down-to-genus type fashion. Do you have a copy of Polis (1990) and a scope? The keys in there are a bit out of date but at least Buthidae as a family has remained more or less consistent and the genera can still be sorted out fairly well with the key barring a couple small grey areas.

Anyhow, my take is likely Androctonus based on the heavy sculpturing of the metasoma. Hottentotta, Mesobuthus etc. can have fairly heavily granulated carinae, but they generally seem to lack the truly sculptured, fat-tailed look of Androctonus. Once again, this is just a hunch -- really do need better pics.

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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   10/25/2008, 11:57 am

^^Listen to this guy, Graham. He really knows his stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   10/25/2008, 4:11 pm

I can't see th picture very well on my phone but it doesn't look androctonus to me.
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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   11/17/2008, 8:00 pm

lycanlord19 wrote:
ok well he was studying King Cobras so that doesnt relly help too much they have a pretty big range from south-eastern Asia and into India,
but i think most people go to india to study King Cobras so that sort of narrows it down a little

As a member of the venomous herp community I must honestly say that your statement is blatantly untrue. Ask him. Most of the King Cobra collection and population is in Malaysia and the Phillipenes, not too common in India. I can't gurantee where in the natural range he was. There are so many possible areas and no country of the range has, say 50%/plus of collection/studying.
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PostSubject: Re: give us a hand here   12/17/2008, 9:28 pm

looks like a hottentotta to me !
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