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PostSubject: Arizonensis/Pallidus compatibility question   12/9/2014, 1:55 pm

Being that H. Pallidus is a morph, can it be bred with a normal Arizonensis? I'm not confident my two normal Arizonensis are of the opposite sex
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PostSubject: Re: Arizonensis/Pallidus compatibility question   12/10/2014, 11:26 am

The two ssp. should be able to mate successfully with each other. However, then you've got a hybrid of sorts. Hybrids are bad Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Arizonensis/Pallidus compatibility question   12/10/2014, 1:31 pm

Really? How are they bad? Severe health problems? Is it not recommended that I breed the morph with the typical?

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PostSubject: Re: Arizonensis/Pallidus compatibility question   12/10/2014, 3:17 pm

No, it's more a matter of opinion. Some people disagree with mixing two species or subspecies because the resulting offspring are neither one or the other. This in itself is not really a problem, it's when these offspring are 'lost' in the hobby and are passed on as sp./ssp., bred with proper sp. etc., then nobody knows what they've really got. Fortunately, this isn't something that has occurred in the scorpion hobby yet, but it is a problem with some reptiles and I think also some tarantula species.

There's also the ethical stance. Why breed two animals that wouldn't under normal circumstances do so in the wild (I don't know if H. arizonensis and H. a. pallidus do interbreed in the wild where their ranges overlap, if they do even overlap).

As you may be able to tell, I'm in the don't create hybrids camp Laughing


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PostSubject: Re: Arizonensis/Pallidus compatibility question   12/10/2014, 3:29 pm

Aah I see. I understand the perspective. Creating hybrids isn't really something I ever considered. Or thought about really. An interesting notion though. I can see why it would be tempting to do so but I really don't see any necessity in it.
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PostSubject: Re: Arizonensis/Pallidus compatibility question   3/21/2015, 4:15 pm

Pallidus is not a species. It's a junior synonym, and nothing more than a pallid arizonensis. I have a pallid obscurus I had initially mistaken for an arizonensis. To determine species, one must closely examine the intraocular crescent. All hadrurus species have pale and dark morphs.
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