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PostSubject: Black fat tailed?   6/29/2008, 1:07 pm

about two days ago i bought a new scorpion. on the little container it came in it said "Israeli Fat Tailed" the guy told me it was pretty venomous and when i got home i tried looking it up online. the only thing i can find was the black fat tailed scorpion, and all the sites say its one of the most deadly in the world. im gonna try and get pics up as soon as i can but until then i was wondering if anybody can tell me if the Israeli Fat Tailed and Black fat tailed are the same thing.

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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/29/2008, 1:12 pm

its probably a type of androctonus.
check the scorpion files and see if you can find a match
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/29/2008, 1:18 pm

how about an androctonus bicolor??
---> http://www.ub.ntnu.no/scorpion-files/a_bicolor6.jpg <---
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/29/2008, 1:32 pm

yeah it does look a lot like that one actually. ive only seen it like twice since i had it. its fast, small, and real aggressive too if that helps the description at all
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/29/2008, 1:34 pm

if it gets out you are in real trouble.
are you an expert keeper and what have you kept before??
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/29/2008, 1:55 pm

i wouldnt say im an expert but ive read up a lot on scorpions and know not to handle ones like this. i doubt it would get out of the cage since its a 10 gallon. ive only had emperors but from the sound of it this new one is a lot different from them
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/29/2008, 3:27 pm

yea...the only thing that is the same with these and the emperors is that they are scorpions and they are black.
if you get stung you will be in hospital for a long time.
i would say give it back to the shop.
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/29/2008, 5:04 pm

I would say. return it.
Its not a case of "it wont get out" because they CAN get out and if you have only had a pandinus imperator before and jumped to a "fat tail" then its a big jump...and I dont mean to be rude but are you really ready for it?
Yes they arent meant to be held and im sure you arent, but even tank cleaning etc...my pandinus cavimanus is a hand full and her venom is nothing to worry about!
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/29/2008, 5:31 pm

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yea...the only thing that is the same with these and the emperors is that they are scorpions and they are black.
if you get stung you will be in hospital for a long time.
i would say give it back to the shop.

I wont say he whould be going to the hospital for a long time, thats foolish to say that.. Check out stung reports and stuff like that.. scorpions aint as dangerous as some ppl think.. Eddy got stung by a LQ and lived without serious damage.
All iam saying is that Now you know this scorpion can be dangerous to you so dont pick it up with your fingers or anything,
its all about knowing that your dealing with that will keep yourself alive. If you know this scorp is dangerous you dont just stick your hand into its home you use forceps.. and a stuff like that.. like weary protective earglasses when your dealing with Parabuthus Trans.. i say keep the scorpion, be happy and just know what your dealing with.. ortherwise you wont learn anything..
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/29/2008, 10:38 pm

Without pics I don't think anyone can properly ID it. It might be an A. mauritanicus, A. bicolor... Or maybe even H. judiacus. Like it was said, be careful. In my eye, if you are mature and serious about your caretaking role and you have taken care of scorpions with success in the past then you probably won't have a problem with this guy. Just remember it "could" potentially take your life. If you do not want that on your shoulders then I would return it just to be safe. As far as care, what sort of substrate and temp/humidity are you using? It is going to be a desert species so I hope that you are not keeping it like your Emps.
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/29/2008, 10:47 pm

i think im gonna keep it. i have everything for tank cleaning too, forceps, thick gloves, and all that stuff. i was planning on getting a hairy desert scorpion because its not very venomous and more active and aggressive than emperors but the shop didnt have any. the guy said if i was looking for something active to get the fat tail. he said it was pretty venomous but i didnt know it was that bad. i asked him what kind of substrate to use and he gave me a bag of like coconut bark. the scorpion seems happy with it and burrows. the temperature is at 85 and the humidity is 43 at the moment


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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/29/2008, 11:10 pm

Or an A.Crauissanda(sp), some paributhus specie, hottentetta
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/30/2008, 3:38 am

i managed to get some pictures just now but they arent very clear.

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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/30/2008, 6:34 am

thick gloves wont help you alot, if he really wants to get you he will.. best thing is to just use the forceps to locate him then take a plastic container and put over him so he cant run anywere you dont want him too.. now you can work safely in his home..
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/30/2008, 11:02 am

I don't think we can get a positive ID from those photos, other than it doesn't look like an Androctonus sp.. I might offer a tentative guess towards H. judaicus, though.

Don't think you have to return something because it's "hot" -- just exercise good common sense.

That substrate looks more like bark chips. I'd change it out for dry coco fiber with an available water dish until we get an ID nailed down.

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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/30/2008, 11:34 am

yeah the guy at the shop told me to put a real small water dish in there, like a little cap or something. i looked at Androctonus and H. judaicus and it looks similar to both. it kinda looked like a bicolor last night when i was getting the pictures, either that or it was just my imagination. i took the pictures with my cell phone so thats why they arent very clear. ill try to get better ones tonight when it comes back out
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/30/2008, 3:25 pm

IHeartMantids wrote:
I don't think we can get a positive ID from those photos, other than it doesn't look like an Androctonus sp.. I might offer a tentative guess towards H. judaicus, though.

Don't think you have to return something because it's "hot" -- just exercise good common sense.

That substrate looks more like bark chips. I'd change it out for dry coco fiber with an available water dish until we get an ID nailed down.


The metasoma is too thick to be a hottentotta i think.. i think its pretty round so its possible to be a parabuthus? but it chould be a Androctonus mauritanicus but better picture whould sure help..
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   6/30/2008, 6:07 pm

I'm starting to think that it isn't an Androctonus. Is the tail squarish (blocky) or round? It could be some sort of Parabuthus but I'm pretty sure it isn't a H. judaicus. Post up some better pics and well have you ID'ed in a jiffy.
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   7/1/2008, 2:31 am

another picture with still not so good quality. im gonna try and get my friends digital camera and get a better one sometime soon because my phone doesnt seem to be getting good pictures

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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   7/1/2008, 5:49 am

still cant make out what it is Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   7/1/2008, 6:40 am

looks pretty venomous. it would probably be fairly easy to keep, just dont get tagged!
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   7/4/2008, 4:01 am

finally some clear pictures. unfortunately it burrowed after getting these so i couldnt get more but hopefully they'll be good enough for an ID

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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   7/4/2008, 10:02 am

It ain't an andro.
Hottetta or a parabuthus without looking at any other pics to compare it to
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   7/4/2008, 10:45 am

Venom wrote:
It ain't an andro.
Hottetta or a parabuthus without looking at any other pics to compare it to


That there is most likely a Androctonus sp, if you look at what scorpions Israel have, you will find Androctonus sp
Now if you look closely at the pictures of the scorpion Shasta have provide, sadley the angels aint great but it has small keels i belive they are called or making on the last segment of its mesosoma just before its metasoma, if you look at the sharp and keels on the metasoma as well and go to google and look at some pictures it should add up.. chould be bicolor or crassicauda in a black form..
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PostSubject: Re: Black fat tailed?   7/4/2008, 11:31 am

I think that the keels aren't promentant enought to be crassicausda. I am leaning towards an adolesent A. mauritanicus but the telson seems to be to bulbish.
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