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PostSubject: centruroides species.....   8/9/2013, 3:53 am

besides C. gracilis and C. scuplturatus.....

is there any other centruroides species that is communal as babys

species that don't have to be separated even when they are young or as adults ?

and if there are I would like to know names and venom potency

I tried to google this question but I was getting mixed answers
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/9/2013, 4:14 am

I think all of the Centruroides in the hobby are communal. That said, people separate the youngsters because they tend to eat their freshly molted tank mates. I lost 3 gracilis from cannibalism, so when the rest went into premolt, I rehoused them all. Now that they've molted, hardened, and eaten, they're living in the same enclosure as before. I keep them together because they tend to grow a bit faster when kept communally.

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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/9/2013, 5:32 am

IMO, There are no such thing as communal scorpions when they are in their early instars this is what I follow on all species of scorpions.
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/9/2013, 8:01 am

ok thanks I didn't know that

ill keep my eye on the scorplings

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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/9/2013, 8:31 am

My C. vitts haven't had too much of an issue with cannibalism. It still happens, but not as bad as what I've read about in other species. I've seen more crickets eating the slings than anything.
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/9/2013, 9:40 am

Centruroides hentzi.
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/9/2013, 4:55 pm

C.gracilis are NOT communal as juvs trust me when I say that. The only species that I've never seen cannibalize at young ages at all...not even once. Is T.stigmurus. I currently have some mesobuthus gibbosus that are doing well together but they're not barks.
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/10/2013, 12:13 am

are T. stigmurus communal as adults ?

I cant separate my 80-90 C. gracilis babys

I mean I have 500 deli containers but I don't have the room for that many individual container

so far I don't thing they are eating each other
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/10/2013, 12:17 am

Tityus stigmurus are extremely communal. People have said they woould rather starve than cannabalize.
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/10/2013, 12:21 am

okay that seems like its the next species I want to get sometime in the future, the T. stigmurus
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/10/2013, 12:24 am

Be careful. If I'm not mistaken they're very hot. Stuff I've read about most Tityus spp labels them as a 5. And parthenogenetic.
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/10/2013, 12:29 am

the sting reports I just read said it was just pain

and 2 deaths
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/10/2013, 12:33 am

I think my C. gracilis don't eat each other when molting cuase they are pretty much all in premolt and aren't eating rite now

I keep them well fed
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/10/2013, 1:24 am

T. stigmurus LD50 is supposed to be 0.7 mg, and a deathstalkers is supposed to be less than 0.3mg to give you an idea how venomous they are. T. stigmurus and T. serrulatus are considered lethal where they're native to, T. serrulatus being the most venomous in South America.

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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/10/2013, 1:27 am

ok I think I might stay away then

I don't think I have enough experience for that rite now

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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/10/2013, 5:12 am

I'm not saying you should stay away! I still think you should get some! They are a fantastic species to care for.

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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/11/2013, 12:07 am

I don't know how to read the numbers

does that mean they are more potent then deathstalker or not ?
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/11/2013, 12:13 am

this is what I found on C. gracilis, not the florida species.... copy and paste....

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This scorpion can inflict very a painful sting, but it is not considered as potent as some of its relatives. Some information indicates that individuals from North America are less venomous than their relatives from Central and South America. C. gracilis from Cuba have a reported LD 50 value of 2.7 mg/kg, which is quite potent. This species should be handled with care.

I cant find the venom potentcy of the florida species tho

does anybody know ?
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/11/2013, 12:17 am

does this mean C. gracilis double clutch ,...??......

"Even though post-birth females have been observed mating, the same female can give birth up to twice a year after a single insemination"
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/11/2013, 12:23 am

The toxicity of the ones from Florida isn't bad at all. I have a report in the envenomation section.
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/11/2013, 12:44 am

yeah ive read the reports

but im afraid I might get an allergic reaction, I its rare but ya never know, it could happen

that's why im more then careful
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/11/2013, 12:46 am

You shouldn't get a reaction if you aren't allergic to insect venom. If you are, it would probably be just more painful.
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/11/2013, 12:49 am

I wasn't allergiv to bees when I was young

but my dad wasn't either and he got stung by 5 bees in the head and neck and he had to go to hostpial cuase his throat swelled up

so I might be allergic too

someone told me if im allergic I could go into anaphylactic shock,

so Id have to use an epipen until I get to hospital

but u might be rite I could just have pain, I wont know until it happens
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/11/2013, 12:51 am

Your dad probably had that reaction because of the location and number of stings.
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PostSubject: Re: centruroides species.....   8/11/2013, 12:53 am

yeah true

plus I noticed the difference between my emps and my C. gracilis....

is if u would touch an emp, they face u and hold there ground

the C. gracilis , if u touch them they run away

just something I noticed

so I don't think ill get stung by a C. gracilis unless I accidently put my hand on one if I don't see it on the bark
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