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Niffler
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Niffler

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PostSubject: Better pics   Better pics Empty6/10/2013, 6:07 am

Hello,
I posted a pic for an id before but the pic was lousy. I was told it was an A. Crassicauda. I hoping these pics will help make it easier and I can get a positive id so I know what I'm dealing with. That's an American quarter for a size comparison. I'm keeping it as if it's very venomous. Thanks for any help.
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PostSubject: Re: Better pics   Better pics Empty6/10/2013, 10:00 am

If the metasoma segments are uniformly cylinder-like and there are sensory pits all over the entire tail, you have a Orthochirus sp. I remember a few years back a few big vendors had them marked as Androctonus bicolor, which really bothered me as they're quite obviously not Androctonus sp.
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Niffler
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PostSubject: Re: Better pics   Better pics Empty6/10/2013, 10:19 am

Thanks, the tail looks very smooth.
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PostSubject: Re: Better pics   Better pics Empty6/10/2013, 10:46 am

Yip, def Orthochirus, probably O. scrobiculosus negebensis or O.innesi if they came from someone in America.
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PostSubject: Re: Better pics   Better pics Empty6/10/2013, 11:47 am

All the pics show of Orthochirus I saw had little pits all over the tail. The tail on this little guy is smooth and shiny. Does that make a difference? According to the guy I got it from he brought it from someone overseas. Are the Orthochirus hot? Thanks again
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PostSubject: Re: Better pics   Better pics Empty6/10/2013, 12:24 pm

So no pits? Can you get a clear shot of the metasoma? As far as I know all Orthochirus species have those sensory pits. It's kind of difficult to see them on lower instar specimens but they are there.
The only other scorpion that resembles Orthochirus but has no pits is Buthoscorpio --> http://www.scorpionworlds.fr/pages/buthidae/buthoscorpio-werner-1936/buthoscorpio-sp.html
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PostSubject: Re: Better pics   Better pics Empty6/10/2013, 2:27 pm

I'll try to get a better shot. My camera has no macro setting. That tail is really smooth. Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Better pics   Better pics Empty6/10/2013, 2:45 pm

I was going to say Orthochirus sp too but now your making me question it. Use the macro setting on your camera.
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PostSubject: Re: Better pics   Better pics Empty7/21/2013, 10:16 pm

NO QUESTION it has to be a Orthochirus sp I think it is a innesi as they are usually imported to the US. The sp is not considered medically significant or dangerous. It is actually quite a steel man these are my favorite sp. It looks like an adult to me if not about one instar from adult. Here are some photos of the one i used to keep for comparison.
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PostSubject: Re: Better pics   Better pics Empty7/21/2013, 11:51 pm

Looks like Orthochirus to me, too, based on how it's holding the tail. All that's throwing me off on that is the smoothness of the tail. In the pics, though, even though they're unclear, it looks like the light IS catching some pits and reflecting out. You can barely see little light spots in there. It's about the right size for an adult Ortho, too.

Does it "wag" it's tail side to side when you mess with it? If so, that's almost a dead giveaway.

Yeah... Niffler... Please get us some better close up shots. Especially of that tail.
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